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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

20 years ago windows cost me more time than linux, from what I hear it’s not got any cheaper

Re: The day Windows died

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Setup your 10 year old with bleeding edge Arch Linux, add a script to automatically update nightly (or even hourly lol), and give them a secondary device like a tablet loaded up with access to arch wiki, every man page, etc. but nothing else. They will be an absolute Linux wizard in months and maybe a core contributor soon after.

Sounds like hell. They will quickly be turned away from Linux and want something simpler. Yak-shaving in lieu of work sounds cool, but it sucks when you really need to do stuff other than dick around in the terminal.

Re: The day Windows died

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I installed Mint here. RetroArch works like a charm. Steam games are surprisingly smooth thanks to Proton - some games require some minor tinkering to work, but I am amazed at how well it works. I got even games from other stores that don't officially support Proton (such as GoG) to work with the help of Lutris. If Windows for you is just a console, might be time to re-evaluate on that. I don't even hate Windows btw.…

I did Linux gaming for a bit. The main annoyance was getting all the sound settings to work with… I guess it must have been Skype at the time, or maybe Google Hangouts or something… so I could play multiplayer games with friends. This would have been more than a decade ago, so I believe you if you say it is pretty good nowadays. Might check back. I know Discord runs OK on Linux.

For a long time I had Linux in Dual boot, cursing at how unfortunate it was that I couldn't really play games there. Even games that had Linux builds often had those as afterthoughts, with bugs not present in the main windows version.

Now I can just play the Windows version through Proton. I hope that if Linux gains traction Proton becomes unnecessary, but I'm happy that Proton came as far as it is. Honestly, to play old Windows games it is probably better than Windows.

A few games required some minor tinkering to work, but have been pretty smooth here. If you enjoy playing the latest AAA (that probably takes a while until it gets supported), I would say that you'd better stay on Windows. Otherwise, Linux is more than a viable alternative right now.

Re: The day Windows died

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Sure, my misread of what they said. However they as you say stored it in a drawer under their desk and only used it to debug software written long ago. They also said the last time they used windows was version 8. I think it perfectly reasonable to conclude the laptop ran windows 8. Otherwise if it ran windows 10 the author would have said the last time they used windows it was version 10.

> They also said the last time they used windows was version 8. No, they say Windows 8 was the last version I used daily .

The OP didn't say it at all clearly, but reading between their lines they had used Win10, but since Win8 had moved to MacBooks and MacOS as their preferred daily platform:

> Win8 was the last version I used daily. It was when I moved from web development to mobile development, which wasn't (and still isn't) possible to do without a Mac when targeting iOS. One day I decided it would be worth making the switch as I had developed an aversion to the new Metro UI of Windows [8] anyway.

> ...never looked back since. I stopped buying new laptops every few months and got myself a new MacBook every few years instead.

>Win11: ... "I already knew from Win10 that some diagnostics settings could no longer be switched off permanently."

Re: The day Windows died

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Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

SIP is pro-consumer. Makes it much safer for common users.

Re: The day Windows died

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I built a gaming PC recently, so also new to Windows (normally Linux main). I was very surprised to see advertising in the operating system, for an operating system that people pay at least $190 CAD for. This issue is made worse by every hardware vendor needing to install their own bulky applications with their own popups. It's extremely noisy. My main take is that Microsoft has lost all pride in Windows and they're…

They really advertise to you inside the operating system? I've been a Linux user for 20 years so I don't know.

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Re: The day Windows died

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> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

Have you read the article?

Not only you're paying Windows but you have to waste time to disable its antifeatures..

Re: The day Windows died

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I have thought about this myself quite a bit: Should I or should I not filter the world for my kids? Back then, as a kid, computers/Internet allowed me to access an unfiltered world. It was great! I didn’t like adults restricting what information I had or didn’t have, nurturing their own agenda in me. I am leaning to not filter what my kids will have access to... but I suppose this fulfills my agenda.

It feels like the purpose of most communication on the internet has changed from sharing an idea to making a buck.

Dont the big money makers hire psychologists to help them figure out how to 'drive user engagement'?

I feel like there is a difference between letting your kid browse through a library that contains the anarchist cookbook and letting your kid loose in a casino which I think maps to old internet/new internet. Old internet had dangerous information but individuals tended to be treated as an end in themselves, new internet tends to treat individuals as a means to an end.

Re: The day Windows died

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This is unfortunately the new state of Windows, and why I also may be switching away after being a dedicated user since Windows 3.1 I doubt I'll go to Mac, I'm just not a fan, so looking at different linux options, even though I barely do any coding anymore. Windows used to have bloatware and shareware, but I never felt it was in your face like it is now. But it really is the volume of advertising and crap that has g…

> stayed on 10 and am avoiding upgrading It still tries to move you to 11, big You Have Free Upgrade window on startup. I declined maybe 4 times already. It still shows. Im totally a MacOS fan, i use Linux daily but only for my servers. Windows in on my gaming PC.

It’s hoping to catch you off guard one day so you miss click or wear you down.

Re: The day Windows died

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I recently moved back to Linux, perhaps permanently. What kept me from it was not being able to reliably play games, but I can confirm that is no longer a problem. I can't properly describe how happy this makes me.

What distro did you go for? I'm thinking about moving to linux, I'm avoiding a Windows 11 upgrade, and am not a fan of mac.

I ran Linux Mint on a Lenovo Legion gaming laptop for 2 months.

Almost everything related to gaming worked but I did have problems.

Under X11 + Gnome, fractional scaling was pretty badly broken for some things, especially the Steam app. X11 + KDE fixed that issue.

Under X11 + KDE with hybrid graphics mode (automatically use APU for light tasks, dedicated GPU for games), the laptop's brightness controls were totally inoperable. I tried to research this but could not find a working solution. If brightness was problematic enough, I could pick one of the fixed graphic modes and log out and back in - mostly I left it near or at 100% and didn't touch it.

One game (Anno 1800) would not connect to multiplayer, but works completely under Windows.

Hogwart's Legacy ran horribly and was unstable in Linux Mint. It ran with much higher quality/performance and 100% stability under Windows.

Other games like ARK, Conan, Valheim, StarCraft 2 (using non-Steam Proton), Deep Rock Galactic all ran identically (from what I can tell) to Windows.

Also about 50% of the time, booting would hang for Linux Mint and I'd have to hard-reboot, probably pick an older kernel to boot into, and then I could reboot and go back to the latest kernel (a minor release under Linux 5.15). Fortunately rebooting is mostly infrequent.

Overall it wasn't quite in a state I was comfortable with, so I'm back to Windows 10, which is much better than Windows 11 (or much less bad?).

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