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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by hedora »

treve wrote: post #41
doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

I built a gaming PC recently, so also new to Windows (normally Linux main). I was very surprised to see advertising in the operating system, for an operating system that people pay at least $190 CAD for. This issue is made worse by every hardware vendor needing to install their own bulky applications with their own popups. It's extremely noisy. My main take is that Microsoft has lost all pride in Windows and they're…

Try installing Linux + steam on it. I think you'll find it's a better environment for gaming.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by throwaway675309 »

"I have never looked back since. I stopped buying new laptops every few months and got myself a new MacBook every few years instead. I stopped counting crashes and dealing with anti-virus"

This is a quote around them using Win 7/8. There's definitely some hyperbole going on here, because I and many others found Windows 7 to be a relatively stable environment and I say this as a prolific user of Photoshop, visual studio, and ableton.

The idea that he's buying new laptops every few months rather discredits this article. I had a dell Inspiron that lasted about two years, and after that I purchased a IBM T530 that lasted nearly 5 years.

Post Windows 10 LTSC, I've abandoned windows completely though.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by imwithstoopid »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
josephcsible wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by landofredwater »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
josephcsible wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

Does that mean that paying for an OS means your time has negative value?

Surely the time spent installing, configuring, and messing around with your personal desktop or laptop after already having paid for a complete OS is tantamount to buying a prebuilt PC, taking it apart, and putting it back together with a few missing screws.

Zero is still greater than any negative number.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by teo_zero »

judge2020 wrote: post #28
drpixie wrote: post #15

> Some people recommended tools to me which can be used to switch most of those things off. But honestly: How do you trust a system (or its manufacturer) if you can't even know if those settings, which you deliberately chose, persist? No doubt you've all noticed how your carefully crafted config gets trashed by routine window's updates %#%$$#%#! If you use windows, you're pushing against a company that 1) you've give…

What configs are you talking about? Because most things in the official UIs are carefully crafted to be permanent user preferences that windows updates don't touch.

Just one example: I can't have Acrobat as the default PDF reader for longer than an update cycle. It gets reset to Edge.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by bee_rider »

surgical_fire wrote: post #50
bee_rider wrote: post #19

I use 10, but only as essentially a glorified console. Time for work? Time to boot into the Linux partition. I look vaguely fondly back on XP, 98, and 95… but at least, XP was pretty bad with frequent crashes. And of course the idea of security was added on afterwards, which was not really successful and kind of a dumb idea. Anyway I think the death-date of Windows is essentially a personal thing. It is the first day…

I installed Mint here. RetroArch works like a charm. Steam games are surprisingly smooth thanks to Proton - some games require some minor tinkering to work, but I am amazed at how well it works. I got even games from other stores that don't officially support Proton (such as GoG) to work with the help of Lutris. If Windows for you is just a console, might be time to re-evaluate on that. I don't even hate Windows btw.…

I did Linux gaming for a bit. The main annoyance was getting all the sound settings to work with… I guess it must have been Skype at the time, or maybe Google Hangouts or something… so I could play multiplayer games with friends.

This would have been more than a decade ago, so I believe you if you say it is pretty good nowadays. Might check back. I know Discord runs OK on Linux.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by Aaron2222 »

josephcsible wrote: post #20
doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

So a security feature that doesn't impact normal use and can be turned off if you're so inclined is anti-consumer?

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by wongarsu »

drpixie wrote: post #15

> Some people recommended tools to me which can be used to switch most of those things off. But honestly: How do you trust a system (or its manufacturer) if you can't even know if those settings, which you deliberately chose, persist? No doubt you've all noticed how your carefully crafted config gets trashed by routine window's updates %#%$$#%#! If you use windows, you're pushing against a company that 1) you've give…

The most reliable way to get things to stick is by using Group Policies. Because if there's one group Microsoft is afraid of messing with, it's their Enterprise customers.

Of course that requires getting Windows Pro or better, but that's becoming a must anyways, Windows Home just keeps getting worse with every update. Luckily the upgrade is only about $20 (using the unofficial key reseller of your choice).

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by acegopher »

surgical_fire wrote: post #53
pedalpete wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What distro did you go for? I'm thinking about moving to linux, I'm avoiding a Windows 11 upgrade, and am not a fan of mac.

Mint, because I'm a filthy casual :) I just love Mint, but I think any Debian based distro should work just fine for playing.

I started with Red Hat 5 bought in a box in 1998 from Microcenter, compiled my own kernel with the original Gentoo, ran XMonad under Arch, and need both hands to count the number of distros I've used as daily drivers.

I have settled on Linux Mint. It just works, and looks good.

From one "filthy casual" to another...

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by coffeeblack »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
josephcsible wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

That was 15 years ago. Today, it's a big time saver compared to Windows.
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