Paris has such well-built bike infrastructure, it's a huge shame to ban scooters, which fit into bike lanes perfectly well.
You've never been to Paris, have you? It's a death trap for cyclists.
Sounds like you haven't been there for a few years.
Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think cars are a lot worse, if we just took those off the street there's be no problem with people scooting on the streets
So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. You can't just abandon the city. These cities represent trillions of dollars of investment. Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect woul…
> It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars.
Well but it is. Restricting/Eliminating cars in city centers especially would do wonders to promote them as places that people want to live in.
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#33Cities must upgrade as well in order for this to work out. Must be a transition period but without public measures to implement the urban mobility this won’t work.
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#34I hope this becomes EU-wide. Every season it seems like there's a new generation that discovers and abuses them to no end, endangering everybody around.
As someone who regularly uses them I would be very sad if they were banned. It is a very convienient mode of transport and can often cut journey times in half for me compared to public transport. I also ride a bike but I don't always have it with me, or want to lock up my bike somewhere overnight and risk having it stolen.
I think it would be unfair to punish responsable users because of a few bad apples. Half of the people leaving them in the sidewalk aren't even the users themselves, but frustrated vigilantes who see them as a symbol of capitalism gone wrong and who want to vandalise them.
Maybe some actual enforcement of cycling rules is needed, but outright banning is draconian and unnecesarry.
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#35E-Scooters are a public menace. They're way to fast for the sidewalk, dangerous on the road, litter the sidewalks and cause people to trip, and are almost always ridden unsafely, with no safety equipment at all. Get these death traps off the streets.
In my experience, they are perfectly fine in bike lanes. If your city doesn't have those, that's the problem. Not the scooters.
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#36I hope this becomes EU-wide. Every season it seems like there's a new generation that discovers and abuses them to no end, endangering everybody around.
Maybe there's other ways of improving the service without outright banning it. I would be surprised if there has not been a lot of innovations that caused a lot of accidents and endangered a lot of people that have been properly regulated and improved without just saying "this is a menace, let's ban it!". I personaly have enjoyed riding around on scooters along many cities in Europe including my own and would support improvements if stats really show they are very dangerous (couldn't find very supportive data for that at least in my city), but I still believe it would be very shortsighted if the solution is just "ban them" because some people don't like this change.
Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think cars are a lot worse, if we just took those off the street there's be no problem with people scooting on the streets
So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. You can't just abandon the city. These cities represent trillions of dollars of investment. Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect woul…
> dramatically improving various urban areas
That’s just in your opinion though. Scooters are super convenient if you’re not just an old fuddy dud afraid of new things.
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#38Rental scooters are often competing with walking. A 10 minute walk might perhaps be a 2 minute scoot. Great.
But in my city, for every 1 scooter ride, you will see 100 pedestrians walk past. Ie. they have a sub-1% market share. And the scooters are idle >95% of the time.
I suspect, the friction of needing an app is too high. The complex signup process needing a driving license is too complex. The pricing (multiple dollars just for a 2 minute scoot!) is too expensive. The rules about not taking them out of the area and locking them properly or risking a fine are all too scary.
I think these scooters would do far better if they were entirely free and appless for the first 5 minutes use. If you want to go further, scan the QR code and watch an ad and get 5 more minutes. Pay money, and get more time yet.
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#39I hope this becomes EU-wide. Every season it seems like there's a new generation that discovers and abuses them to no end, endangering everybody around.
Cars are far more dangerous, no?
Cars have a dedicated space. Most cities don't have a dedicated bicycle infrastructure, or at least not enough and not well connected, so scooters are forced to share pedestrian paths. And, again, people treat them like somebody-else's property and misbehave, for which there are no consequences.
Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters
#40Paris has such well-built bike infrastructure, it's a huge shame to ban scooters, which fit into bike lanes perfectly well.
You've never been to Paris, have you? It's a death trap for cyclists.
I beg to differ. I've been biking in Paris regularly for the past 10 years. It has always been a great experience. And it is getting better year after year.