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Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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Doctors: It's really important that you regularly exercise. Get your heart rate up high a few times a week with some sports! Doctors: Just 10,000 steps of walking every day is fine too! Doctors: Ok, how about 8,000 steps only once or twice a week. Can you do that? Doctors: For the love of god, please just get off the couch every once in a while...

It's good advice though. I used to not move around a lot and it was having an impact. These days I build walking into my routine. I walk to work, about 5km. Takes me about 55 minutes. I try to do this several times per week. Sometimes I take public transport or the bike if I'm in a hurry. Usually I walk back as well. And when I'm working from home, I take a walk during lunch break or at the end of the day.

It took the covid lockdowns for me to discover that I actually enjoy this stuff. I put some headphones on and listen some podcasts. I can't focus on a podcast at home or while working. I get distracted or I start doing other things and lose focus. When I walk, I listen. So when I want to listen to a podcast, I just go for a walk now. And if it's a long podcast, I just walk a bit longer.

Anyway, this stuff does seem to work for me. And I don't even mind doing it. Win win.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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post #29

That's not at all what the study "finds". It found a correlation between cardiovascular health and walking a certain amount a week. This does not at all suggest causation. I'm not nitpicking here. The most likely reason for this is that people who have a significantly more healthy life style have better cardiovascular health while also happening to move significantly more. Just getting up and walking 8k steps twice a…

Doesn’t everyone working with science or medicine (be that research, teaching or journalism) learn that causation≠correlation? I don’t get it.

Some people also learn that they need a catchy/clickbaity headline to make money.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You joke but perhaps we need to (scientifically) find the minimum number of steps for a reasonable lifespan in tabular form for a given weight, lifestyle, diet, occupation and ethnicity. The law of diminishing returns will apply after a certain amount of physical activity. So will negative consequences of too much exercise where you damage your limbs.

There’s not much science for the ultramarathon folks, but in general more is better. This talk of negative consequences of too much exercise has no grounding in reality.

The people I see that cite the risks of "over exercising" are exclusively people in bad shape. My sister in law, sedentary and textbook obese, insists that running is dangerous for anyone due to the "extra stress it puts on knees." It's just an excuse people use to convince themselves that they're doing the right thing by not moving much. I see it too with people not eating healthy foods like vegetables because they read somewhere that the pesticide residue or whatever is worse for you than just eating processed food all day.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You joke but perhaps we need to (scientifically) find the minimum number of steps for a reasonable lifespan in tabular form for a given weight, lifestyle, diet, occupation and ethnicity. The law of diminishing returns will apply after a certain amount of physical activity. So will negative consequences of too much exercise where you damage your limbs.

There’s not much science for the ultramarathon folks, but in general more is better. This talk of negative consequences of too much exercise has no grounding in reality.

I think it’s important to note that you are assuming a gradual increase in activity over time as well as adequate food and rest between sessions. In the limit case things like rhabdomyolysis definitely exist and in the less-extreme case, you can have problems with connective tissue injuries from increasing the load or volume of exercise too fast. Over the long term, you can also have health problems and injuries caused by doing too much exercise relative to how much food and rest you are getting. All of these are real possibilities if someone started an intense exercise program after 20 years of completely sedentary life as an adult.

That said, we are discussing this in the context of walking a bit more, which should be very well-tolerated for pretty much everyone as long as they don’t have other significant health problems and work up gradually. For example, if you take 1000 steps a day, space out the increase by each week increasing your daily steps by 500-1000 steps a day until you reach 10000 steps a day over the course of a few months (temporarily pause or reverse the increases if you see anything other than passing muscular discomfort).

This also explains how ultramarathon (or other “extreme” physical activities) can be tolerated without much issue—bodies are very good at adapting to the loads that are placed on them as long as that increase is gradual and they have enough food and rest to rebuild after particularly intense bouts of activity.

A further corollary is that over the long term, being sedentary is not well-tolerated at all, so maintaining a certain baseline level of physical activity is definitely a better idea and as long as your body isn’t giving you any feedback to the contrary, you shouldn’t avoid high loads or intense activity just out of abstract fear of injury.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

#35

Doctors: It's really important that you regularly exercise. Get your heart rate up high a few times a week with some sports! Doctors: Just 10,000 steps of walking every day is fine too! Doctors: Ok, how about 8,000 steps only once or twice a week. Can you do that? Doctors: For the love of god, please just get off the couch every once in a while...

I heard that the reason behind the popular 10k step number was the first step counter on the market which was limited to 9999 steps, and people saw that as a challenge to reach.

Meanwhile this is more like the 5th study I've heard of which talks about some measure of exercise at least 1-2 times a week, like 20+ minutes of cycling.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

#37

Recently a got fairly basic, but fully functional smart/sports watch. It counts steps, heart rate, "intensity minutes", distance, GPS, etc. I got it because I was hoping that having a neat gadget to track this stuff would help motivate me to get in those extra exercise minutes. It turns out that it works for me. Seeing the distance/step numbers go up satisfies the little "make graph go up" gremlin in my brain.

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Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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post #3

I wonder how remote work has impacted the average number of steps per day. I normally get ~5k steps from my commute (walk from home to train, walk from train to office and vice versa) without doing anything else. On days I work from home I'm definitely much more sedentary. Yes I can go on a walk to compensate, but I usually don't...

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Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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Recently a got fairly basic, but fully functional smart/sports watch. It counts steps, heart rate, "intensity minutes", distance, GPS, etc. I got it because I was hoping that having a neat gadget to track this stuff would help motivate me to get in those extra exercise minutes. It turns out that it works for me. Seeing the distance/step numbers go up satisfies the little "make graph go up" gremlin in my brain.

It can definitely be motivating, though some features are more "one size fits all", like the intensity minute counter. I know a person who gets maybe one intensity minute per week when it should be 300+, simply because the heart rate is lower on average than the manufacturer expects. Meanwhile my count is usually doubled because it counts very intense minutes twice and 99% of the time I exceed the seemingly hardcoded threshold while doing sports.

Re: Walking 8k Steps Twice a Week Could Prolong Your Life, Study Finds

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post #18
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You joke but perhaps we need to (scientifically) find the minimum number of steps for a reasonable lifespan in tabular form for a given weight, lifestyle, diet, occupation and ethnicity. The law of diminishing returns will apply after a certain amount of physical activity. So will negative consequences of too much exercise where you damage your limbs.

Isn't that overthinking it big time? Biologically humans have evolved to walk roughly 10-15km a day. You really have to overdo it to get to negative consequences of light physical activities such as walking. Just talking a one hour walk every day surely doesn't get you anywhere near the red zone, provided you're otherwise reasonably healthy.

I am by no means an expert of any kind, but I know several people that seem to have damages their needs by pushing themselves in running or cycling.
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