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Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by PUSH_AX » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

CuriouslyC wrote: post #29

PUSH_AX wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mics? Chances are (unless you're a vocalist) you can either DI straight into a plugin or use a VSTi to just midi program a sampled version of your instrument both performed and engineered to a higher standard than you can reach.

While I've certainly done everything in software, there are a lot of genres (such as metal) where micing is a part of the sound. If you listen to metalcore vs a lot of metal, you can hear it.

I would disagree on that, as a hobbyist metal guitarist myself, software like Neural DSP, Bogren etc has made such strides in amp modelling that you can get the same sounds in the box. There are a number of releases I've heard where you simply cannot tell the difference, arguably nor should you bother trying, they sound fantastic.

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by okareaman » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

The beauty with the internet and now AI is that it greatly reduces the power of and need for gatekeepers who take most of the profit

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by bombolo » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:31 PM UTC

okareaman wrote: post #32

The beauty with the internet and now AI is that it greatly reduces the power of and need for gatekeepers who take most of the profit

Bullshit.

You can't run your own AI, so the AI is gatekept.

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by bombolo » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:47 PM UTC

dclowd9901 wrote: post #19

hippich wrote: post #8

I wonder how these calculations changed with the rise of production using computers, especially for electronic music, where even a studio is likely not a hard requirement anymore? I am sure also a lot changed with the rise of various streaming platforms and services allowing to distribute your music to these easily.

Many (most?) new prominent acts get their start in their bedrooms with SoundCloud. It’s beautiful. I don’t think there’s ever even a case where they _have_ to go through the industry ringer. They can just keep cleaning up using self promotion and Spotify royalties. Of course if they want to tour, that changes the equation a bit.

Radio is still a thing, and studios decide what goes on there.

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by atoav » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:49 PM UTC

okareaman wrote: post #32

The beauty with the internet and now AI is that it greatly reduces the power of and need for gatekeepers who take most of the profit

Sure. I as a musician that practised for years to play the right note in the right way the right moment will truly appreciate it when the unique style I developed with my band over years of work and sweat will be cloned in mere seconds by a multi-national corporation and their AI. Or it could be a 13 year old teenager that has the AI create music in the style of someone else.

Not that I am against sampling and remixing, but I have yet to see that AI based cloning of music can truly become an artform with it's own merits like sampling has become — or whether it will destroy the filaments of reality to such a degree music will have to become something entirely different than it is now.

What I am sure of, is that those who have power today will find ways to hold that power tomorrow.

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by ironman1478 » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

PUSH_AX wrote: post #31

CuriouslyC wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I've certainly done everything in software, there are a lot of genres (such as metal) where micing is a part of the sound. If you listen to metalcore vs a lot of metal, you can hear it.

I would disagree on that, as a hobbyist metal guitarist myself, software like Neural DSP, Bogren etc has made such strides in amp modelling that you can get the same sounds in the box. There are a number of releases I've heard where you simply cannot tell the difference, arguably nor should you bother trying, they sound fantastic.

A lot of amp modeling software allows you to place the mic virtually in different positions because it affects the sound. I think when using a Kemper to profile an amp, it models the microphone + amplifier

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by progrus » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

ironman1478 wrote: post #36

PUSH_AX wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would disagree on that, as a hobbyist metal guitarist myself, software like Neural DSP, Bogren etc has made such strides in amp modelling that you can get the same sounds in the box. There are a number of releases I've heard where you simply cannot tell the difference, arguably nor should you bother trying, they sound fantastic.

A lot of amp modeling software allows you to place the mic virtually in different positions because it affects the sound. I think when using a Kemper to profile an amp, it models the microphone + amplifier

The cabinet and speaker are also modeled, and in some ways those are more important than the amp:

https://youtu.be/-eeC1XyZxYs

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:59 PM UTC

okareaman wrote: post #32

The beauty with the internet and now AI is that it greatly reduces the power of and need for gatekeepers who take most of the profit

In exchange for a deafening level of noise.

One of the things those recording engineers used to battle was a high noise floor in the signal. AI lowers that signalnoise ratio (applying the analogy to producing music or "content").

The issue isn't the barrier of entry in terms of skill or technical expertise, it's malicious and greedy business practices. And tech is ripe with that in all new ways of its own. Institutionalized, codified psychopathy is on trial here.

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by georgeecollins » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

Here is something that may be of use. When someone sends you or hands you a contract, read it. If they hand you a contract and expect you to sign it on the spot either ask to look at it overnight or sit down and read it in the spot. Anyone who expects you to sign something without reading it should feel shady.

Read it with a pen in hand. You are allowed to change things in a contract. People often give you things as pdfs or paper with the implication that you shouldn’t make any changes. If you don’t understand something in the contract you may just want to cross it out.

It’s true that many contracts are take it or leave it deals, but you never know until you try. And you want to know where you stand. Also the back and forth leads to a lot of clarification. Always be very polite.

Get your own copy of the signed document.

All of this applies to employment offers, leases, work for hire, etc. IANAL

Re: The Problem with Music (1993)

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Post by okareaman » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #35

okareaman wrote: post #32

The beauty with the internet and now AI is that it greatly reduces the power of and need for gatekeepers who take most of the profit

Sure. I as a musician that practised for years to play the right note in the right way the right moment will truly appreciate it when the unique style I developed with my band over years of work and sweat will be cloned in mere seconds by a multi-national corporation and their AI. Or it could be a 13 year old teenager that has the AI create music in the style of someone else. Not that I am against sampling and remixi…

There will be two groups of people: those who figure out how to use AI to their benefit and those who don't