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How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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I bought a Brother monochrome laser printer (with built in scanner) for £250 and it was bundled with 6 spare toner cartridges. That was two years ago, we’re still on the first cartridge. The printer before that was also a monochrome laser printer and that lasted nearly a decade (only got rid of it because it didn’t support wireless and I couldn’t be bothered running cables anymore). Basically, I think monochrome lase…

See linked, also from The Verge > Best printer 2023: just buy this Brother laser printer everyone has, it’s fine > The Brother whatever-it-is will print return labels for online shopping, never run out of toner, and generally be a printer instead of the physical instantiation of a business model. https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-...

If you have an always-on machine at home, their older network printers can have AirPrint added with CUPS, avahi and (optionally) and avahi service file.

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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The article opens with a hint at another possible course of action: buy a cheap Brother laser printer, which currently go for about $129 in the US. Read the beginning of the article for the testimony, which many people have found for themselves. What you actually need to avoid are manufacturers like HP, unless the idea of an “ink subscription” appeals to you. It’s also best to avoid ink jets both because of ink costs…

I happen to have an HP inkjet printer which I use every three or so months, and never had the dried ink problem. Always works reliably, including the display ink level function. I think this "the ink dries up!" mantra is either outdated, doesn't affect HP anymore, or I got extremely lucky with my HP printers since 2014

Counterpoint annecdata - my cheap HP injet printer dried up. I got what I paid for (I guess even less).

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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A friend of mine also bought a monochrome laser Brother. It was about half of what you paid; but it came with one toner, and it was only half-capacity. Already a bad start. The stock toner only lasted for a year or about 200 pages. A replacement toner costs 50€, more than a single black ink cartridge would cost, and the toner is rated for 1k pages only while the 44€ ink cartridge is rated for 2.2k. (!) In fact, for e…

Page count ratings aside, the issue I've always had with Inkjet printers is that I print rarely - so nearly every time I go to print, I need to buy new cartridges! It isn't very fun to spend $60 on ink so I can print 3 pages because my last cartridges dried/clogged up in the last 3 months. My laser printer will sit there quietly out of the way indefinitely. Then I surprise it with a print job and it just does what I…

> so nearly every time I go to print, I need to buy new cartridges! It isn't very fun to spend $60 on ink so I can print 3 pages because my last cartridges dried/clogged up in the last 3 months.

Wait, do you know that most printers have the ability to clean these clogs (by wasting a large chunk of the ink)? You don't really need to throw the cartridge away. This is why I say that printing the rated amount of pages is difficult, since these cleanup operations waste a large chunk of the ink.

In my experience, an installed cartridge does not become unusably dry even after 1 year of total lack of use. That's because I've had all 4 colors installed for almost a year and they're still printing, and they were open & already close to the expiration date by the time I bought them (amazon warehouse stuff)...

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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I actually have no idea how printers (things that have been around for ever) are _still_ just so bad. I do get cheap printers tbf... but sometimes they just flat out do not work or can't connect or get jobs stuck in the queue, etc. I never experience this when buying other "cheap" peripherals, yet, printers just seem to consistently suck in almost every way.

They are required by law to do certain things. You can't print black if yellow is out because the tracking microdots won't print. The region is extremely important not to be changed because different regions have different requirements. You can't even create a printer startup and fix the issues because it's all basically regulatory.

Am fascinated by the consumer regulatory angle here. Got any examples/text to read over?

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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I bought a Brother monochrome laser printer (with built in scanner) for £250 and it was bundled with 6 spare toner cartridges. That was two years ago, we’re still on the first cartridge. The printer before that was also a monochrome laser printer and that lasted nearly a decade (only got rid of it because it didn’t support wireless and I couldn’t be bothered running cables anymore). Basically, I think monochrome lase…

Similar with my Samsung M2026 laser with WiFi which still works well and cost £60. I would recommend it but HPs CEO of Hostage Situations Incorporated and Monopoly Maintenance bought Samsung printers and got rid of it.

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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I bought a Brother monochrome laser printer (with built in scanner) for £250 and it was bundled with 6 spare toner cartridges. That was two years ago, we’re still on the first cartridge. The printer before that was also a monochrome laser printer and that lasted nearly a decade (only got rid of it because it didn’t support wireless and I couldn’t be bothered running cables anymore). Basically, I think monochrome lase…

We have an old samsung, from before that division was acquired by HP.

Instead of supporting HP’s printer business, I buy third party toner cartridges on Amazon for 25% the price.

The official supplies are generally inferior.

I’m not sure how much this applies to brother, but it means I pay $5-10 per year for toner. We use multiple reams of paper a year.

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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A friend of mine also bought a monochrome laser Brother. It was about half of what you paid; but it came with one toner, and it was only half-capacity. Already a bad start. The stock toner only lasted for a year or about 200 pages. A replacement toner costs 50€, more than a single black ink cartridge would cost, and the toner is rated for 1k pages only while the 44€ ink cartridge is rated for 2.2k. (!) In fact, for e…

So with infrequent use you use about 1% of the cartridge just cleaning. I typically print 1-3 pages when I print something. So your ink cartridge would give me about 200 pages.

Sounds about right. Which would make this corner case about 5-10x more expensive than a laser, which is close but below one order of magnitude difference. At these points and with such infrequently printing, the cost of the printer itself becomes more relevant than the cost of ink, and that favors inkjets and inkjet multifunctions (e.g. dual-sided ADFs can be had for around 50€ inkjet, since they obviously under-price them; much harder to see these prices for lasers or even non-cartridge inkjets).

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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I thought this too! Then I saw the light. Get the cheap Brother laser printer "that everybody has" in the article that is linked from the linked article (the linked linked article?) https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-... Seriously. It's so stupid simple. It rules. It juuuuuust prints. No DRM, no nothing. No apps to install. (I think it has apps, but you don't need them. I certainly didn't ins…

I have the wired version of this - the HL-L2300D - and it has been fine too. The one issue with the wired version is that there are no good Linux drivers, brlaser [0] kind of works - but fails with certain documents. [0] - https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser

I've run around 5500 pages thru the HL-L2300D's using brlaser with no issues - I'm wondering what documents fail?

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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post #113

I actually have no idea how printers (things that have been around for ever) are _still_ just so bad. I do get cheap printers tbf... but sometimes they just flat out do not work or can't connect or get jobs stuck in the queue, etc. I never experience this when buying other "cheap" peripherals, yet, printers just seem to consistently suck in almost every way.

They are required by law to do certain things. You can't print black if yellow is out because the tracking microdots won't print. The region is extremely important not to be changed because different regions have different requirements. You can't even create a printer startup and fix the issues because it's all basically regulatory.

That doesn't make sense - obviously black-only laser printers exist and manage to be compliant just fine

Re: How to change the region on an HP OfficeJet printer in 57 easy steps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are required by law to do certain things. You can't print black if yellow is out because the tracking microdots won't print. The region is extremely important not to be changed because different regions have different requirements. You can't even create a printer startup and fix the issues because it's all basically regulatory.

Am fascinated by the consumer regulatory angle here. Got any examples/text to read over?

You can read more about how the eff has determined that 'all major printer manufacturers have a secret agreement with governments to implement tracking'. There's no link to the specific agreements though since they are secret. It's just known that printers add colored docs to track documents and it's also known that this is required by various governments throughout the world.

https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-d...

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