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Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by 55555 »

marcandre wrote: post #48
shrubble wrote: post #41

“Single mothers are stigmatized, doctors refuse to give IVF to women without a male partner—even though it’s not illegal—and out-of-wedlock births represent only 2% of the total, compared to the average of 41% for women in the OECD. Marriage and childbirth are closely intertwined; women are pressured to sacrifice their career once they have a child or get married." Is everything described, evil?

Yes. Consider the direction that the vast majority of countries have been moving in with regards to all these. South Korea appears to not have moved at all.

At least they've had a female president!

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by belltaco »

Avicebron wrote: post #51
fzeroracer wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan is strongly monocultural which is used both by its government and its corporate culture to exploit the population so I'm not sure your argument passes the smell test.

Until the ~90s, Japan had a very strong social agreement between the corporations and the people and the government which basically guaranteed well paying jobs for life at the trade-off of the corporate culture. The dismantling of that has led to more recent problems in Japan, it was a highly successful system between the 60s-80s

That system is actually reinforced by the lack of workers because companies want to hold on to the ones they already have, which they do today. The 90s is when the economy started outpacing new births and the aging population needed more workers to take care of them. Any way you slice it, the lack of younger workers was the problem whether the proximate cause is low birth rate or lack of immigration or a combination.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by zen_1 »

lapcat wrote: post #59
zen_1 wrote: post #55

> out-of-wedlock births represent only 2% of the total, compared to the average of 41% for women in the OECD. And this is framed as a negative ?

> And this is framed as a negative? Yes, because it means there's very little freedom of choice. Would you say that "shotgun weddings" are a positive ?

With Korea's birth rate I doubt there are too many of those happening.

And if it's down to a choice between shotgun weddings where both parents commit (whether by choice or social pressure) to raising their child or single parenthood, I'd say the former is definitely a positive for the child in question and for society as a whole.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by evilsetg »

vijucat wrote: post #17

I find it interesting that in parallel, I see a shockingly feminine Korean man in an ad every day here in Hong Kong. The Chinese government has banned effeminate men in media, and the mass self-emasculation of men chasing fashion trends is a legitimate national security concern! https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/09/02/c...

What is shocking to you about a man apperearing feminine? And where do you see a national security concern in effeminate men?

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by zdragnar »

Onewildgamer wrote: post #44
punnerud wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do this in Norway, everyone’s salary was totally open (the last couple of years people can see if you have looked at their salary, so not totally open). A new government now, that want to make it totally open again. It’s the ‘Norwegian tax administration’ that give out the information. Media always have full access and can write articles based on it for individuals or groups of people, as long as they don’t publis…

Wow, that is impressive. Norway is surely advanced in humanities. So, why not publicise the performance metrics of the employees as well? Not public at least accessible like what you mentioned on salary. I'm not questioning why Norway isn't doing it but in general why not? Such access to performance can also serve as a driver in the employment industry. Along with the engineering blogs, one can display links to the p…

Salary is an objective number. Performance is a subjective assessment by someone who may favor or disdain you. "Accomplishments" tends to leave out the effort put in by those around you.

I don't think I know of a single manager I've worked with who would have been as honest in performance reviews if they knew their feedback wasn't going to be confidential.

All of that is to say I wouldn't put much, if any, stock in such information.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by djkivi »

beardedwizard wrote: post #36
Silverback_VII wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Which developed country is doing this? Please include sources.

Canada?

In an astonishing statement to the New York Times in 2015, Justin Trudeau declared, "There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada," and consequently that "makes us the first post-national state."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/donna-kennedy-glans-d...

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by punnerud »

Onewildgamer wrote: post #44
punnerud wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do this in Norway, everyone’s salary was totally open (the last couple of years people can see if you have looked at their salary, so not totally open). A new government now, that want to make it totally open again. It’s the ‘Norwegian tax administration’ that give out the information. Media always have full access and can write articles based on it for individuals or groups of people, as long as they don’t publis…

Wow, that is impressive. Norway is surely advanced in humanities. So, why not publicise the performance metrics of the employees as well? Not public at least accessible like what you mentioned on salary. I'm not questioning why Norway isn't doing it but in general why not? Such access to performance can also serve as a driver in the employment industry. Along with the engineering blogs, one can display links to the p…

What performance metrics? Never heard about something like that.

More often than not, the sum of individual performance is not 2+2=4 but more like 2+2=3 or 1+1+1=4

Combining high performers (2) is often not better (1)

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by implements »

Tade0 wrote: post #12

> The repercussions of the so-called “birth strike” have been severe for the country. For three consecutive years, the country has had the lowest fertility rate in the world, with an average of 0.78 children per woman. How much of that can be attributed to the birth strike considering South Korea's fertility rate started its latest downward spiral in 2016 and two out of those three years had heavily-enforced lockdown…

> Over here the government passed draconian anti-abortion laws, but that didn't have an immediate effect. Other things, like economic uncertainty were the main driver.

Female people’s wombs don’t belong to the State. It shouldn’t be conscripting women into pregnancy to shore up the population, that’s pretty dehumanising (never mind sexist).

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by hotpotamus »

ipaddr wrote: post #57
beardedwizard wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was paid 30% less I might want to start a war.

Management usually makes 30%+ more than reports all around the world. Do you suggest workers want war around the globe? Either you are happy with your pay or not. If my next door neighbour makes more it doesn't change my bills. If I make more than them it doesn't sudden make my bills easier to pay.

Ah, seems like you are ignorant of the process of gentrification.
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