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Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by Onewildgamer »

29athrowaway wrote: post #6

If your criteria for selecting a mate is based on having low empathy, low agreeableness, and a preference for prevailing and competing... guess what will happen when you suggest a person with these personality traits to help with house chores, help with taking care of children, etc. What will happen is exactly what is expected to happen based on those personality traits: you will be playing "chicken" all the time wit…

Such people you define will either be a toxic manager working their way through middle management or some mean worker who's an absolute jackass to work with. Nobody wants to work with such people. Every company has them, but a respectable company will have low number of such people.

This seems like a blanket assumption that all are always low on empathy, all the time non-agreeable and always competing. A workplace would in general give a person a good sense of self worth, high esteem, willingness to agree and disagree with whole heart. One or two bad people don't make the company and definitely need not use such a low bar to define the rest.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by lapcat »

55555 wrote: post #15

In 2019, the 4B movement claimed to have 4,000 members! This is 0.016% of the women in South Korea! I'm going to assume (because I think it's very likely) that a large number of these were already not having much sex ("incels") nor planning on getting married. I'm also going to assume that many of these women who now claim they are remaining celibate are actually having sex anyway, as abstaining from sex is difficult…

> In 2019, the 4B movement claimed to have 4,000 members!

"This movement—known as “the four no’s”—began in 2019. It has since spread..."

> Beware articles about problems or trends that neglect to quantify anything.

"Despite the solid academic credentials of women in South Korea, according to a study by Statista, the gender pay gap is scandalous: men earn 30% more than women. This makes the country, according to the Korean Herald, the most gender-unequal OECD nation."

"According to a survey published by the Korean Institute of Criminology and Justice, eight out of 10 men admitted to having been violent towards their partner"

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#33

Post by orwin »

rajin444 wrote: post #22
eatonphil wrote: post #5

Before reading this I assumed the biggest reason for Korean birthrate decline was that they don't allow enough immigrants, which is how some other developed countries handle it. I've heard only anecdotally from friends about the feminist movements and inequality faced, but the stats in this post sort of make clear the enormous problem of gender inequality in Korea. And furthermore it contrasts Korea with how other de…

> was that they don't allow enough immigrants Why is this the default solution? Shouldn’t we be asking why - after all these years of technical progress - it is not cheaper and easier to raise a family? Where are all the productivity gains going? Trying to make women “equal” to men is a ruse to squeeze more labor out of a population. Actual equality could be achieved by fairly disturbing the wealth of the populations…

Women are more 'equal' to men in France than in Japan/Korea, and yet we have higher birthrate (even when you count out first and second gen immigrants).

And equality shouldn't be the goal anyway, emancipation is the only way to make life bearable for every woman (not just the top10%).

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#34

Post by dauertewigkeit »

I am really starting to hate this kind of journalism.

There is a real story here, the gender inequality in South Korea. But it is dressed up into a ridiculous bunch of nonsense and portrayed as some kind of country wide "gender war", trying to evoke intense emotions in the reader.

Why cannot one just be factual and informative instead?

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#35

Post by 29athrowaway »

Onewildgamer wrote: post #31
29athrowaway wrote: post #6

If your criteria for selecting a mate is based on having low empathy, low agreeableness, and a preference for prevailing and competing... guess what will happen when you suggest a person with these personality traits to help with house chores, help with taking care of children, etc. What will happen is exactly what is expected to happen based on those personality traits: you will be playing "chicken" all the time wit…

Such people you define will either be a toxic manager working their way through middle management or some mean worker who's an absolute jackass to work with. Nobody wants to work with such people. Every company has them, but a respectable company will have low number of such people. This seems like a blanket assumption that all are always low on empathy, all the time non-agreeable and always competing. A workplace wo…

I completely agree, but it seems we are not talking about the same thing. Did you read the article?

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#36

Post by beardedwizard »

Silverback_VII wrote: post #20
eatonphil wrote: post #5

Before reading this I assumed the biggest reason for Korean birthrate decline was that they don't allow enough immigrants, which is how some other developed countries handle it. I've heard only anecdotally from friends about the feminist movements and inequality faced, but the stats in this post sort of make clear the enormous problem of gender inequality in Korea. And furthermore it contrasts Korea with how other de…

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Which developed country is doing this? Please include sources.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#38

Post by fzeroracer »

Silverback_VII wrote: post #20
eatonphil wrote: post #5

Before reading this I assumed the biggest reason for Korean birthrate decline was that they don't allow enough immigrants, which is how some other developed countries handle it. I've heard only anecdotally from friends about the feminist movements and inequality faced, but the stats in this post sort of make clear the enormous problem of gender inequality in Korea. And furthermore it contrasts Korea with how other de…

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Japan is strongly monocultural which is used both by its government and its corporate culture to exploit the population so I'm not sure your argument passes the smell test.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

#39

Post by vijaybritto »

brhsagain wrote: post #24
vijaybritto wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And?

The obvious implication is that this conservative machismo culture is to some degree what women want. Presumably you disagree with that, so why not just tell us why?

Because culture is not determined by governments and election outcomes do not mean women want oppression to continue.

The condition would be the same no matter if liberals or conservatives are in power.

Re: No dates, no sex, no weddings, no kids

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Post by beardedwizard »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #34

I am really starting to hate this kind of journalism. There is a real story here, the gender inequality in South Korea. But it is dressed up into a ridiculous bunch of nonsense and portrayed as some kind of country wide "gender war", trying to evoke intense emotions in the reader. Why cannot one just be factual and informative instead?

If I was paid 30% less I might want to start a war.
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