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Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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The fact that it's a whole book makes me nervous. A strategy which requires a whole book to be explained sounds like giving up on anything simple and claiming we can go through 1001 non-radical steps to eventually get to a happy place. This to me is a form of denial. You realize simple solutions can not be practically implemented and you convince yourself a marathon of tiny changes is the way to go. (Disclaimer: I ha…

> The fact that it's a whole book makes me nervous. At least 3/4ths of the book beats you over the head with countless examples of the corruption, how it came to be, and why it's not technically illegal. The very last part covers potential solutions, none of which have a great chance of success due to the vested interests but should be tried anyway. e.g. a constitutional convention is one way out, if we can convince…

The very last part covers potential solutions, none of which have a great chance of success due to the vested interests but should be tried anyway

What happens if we try them all and they (as expected) do not succeed?

If they don't have a great chance of success, why can't we find other solutions?

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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Yup, that's why it's naive. One possible patch for this issue is to forbid spending money on elections, but again, that just opens up new cans of worms.

As a society, we need acknowledge that using money to influence voters is simply a way to increase voting power beyond "1 man, 1 vote". One way to mitigate that is to ban independent advertising on behalf of candidates (SuperPACs), require all donors to donate into a common pot which candidates may draw equally from, and require all media companies to provide equal time to candidates on their networks. A downside of…

> Requiring failed candidates to pay back a percentage of their spend may be a way to mitigate that (e.g. a "co-pay").

Doesn't this also create a pretty powerful disincentive for the non-wealthy to run?

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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Depends on how you're defining "actionable." I signed a petition against the White House's plan to put airport usage fees in place for general aviation, effectively charging pilots to talk to air traffic control. This is a Really Bad Idea (I'm happy to delineiate why in future comments if there is interest but for now I'll play the "I'm a pilot, trust me" card). The response was just a politely verbose version of "f*…

> I signed a petition against the White House's plan to put airport usage fees in place for general aviation, effectively charging pilots to talk to air traffic control. This is a Really Bad Idea (I'm happy to delineiate why in future comments if there is interest but for now I'll play the "I'm a pilot, trust me" card). Well, I'm interested. The obvious guess that comes to mind is that pilots are now incentivized to…

> Is there something more subtle going on? Yup.

Before I get to what that is, here's the real problem: you have to contact ATC to file an instrument flight plan. If you're flying visually, interaction with ATC is limited to communications with the airport's tower, maybe with one of the major ATC centers if you're departing an airport with designated approach/departure frequencies (i.e. a Class B or C airport).

Visual flight (VFR) into instrument meteorological condition (IMC) accidents are fatal somewhere between 75% [1] and 90% [2] of the time. For the reason over the last two decades barriers to instrument training have been steadily decreased: used to be you had to have 200 hours in the book before you could get an instrument rating. That was decreased to 125 in 1986 and in 1997 the flight time requirement was dropped altogether [3].

The reason for this is that flying instrument flight plans have a lower accident rate [3] than pilots flying VFR. Furthermore, pilots on a VFR flight plan who run into IMC and are instrument rated can contact ATC and file a pop-up IFR flight plan, interacting with ATC to establish vectors around convective areas (thunderstorms) and into an instrument approach.

Accident rates increase when barriers to instrument flight are erected. A good example of this is when the Commemorative Air Force barred pilots from filing IFR flight plans. They reversed this policy after irreplaceable historical artifacts were lost due to pilots trying to dodge under weather to make an airshow or get home.

Now, to the examination of the WH's communication on the matter and to your question of whether something more subtle is going on: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/response/why-we-need...

The example in the letter of the "large commercial aircraft" vs a "corporate jet" is invalid: the administration is conflating the excise taxes that a FAR Part 135 commercial operation pays per passenger vs the fuel taxes per gallon that a FAR Part 121 corporate flight pays.

The "something more subtle going on" is revealed in the language of the letter. This is going to lead into my sharing a political perspective, which I know is verboten on HN but is not avoidable in the context of this little digression.

They exempt piston flight, military, emergency, etc. And they single out a corporate jet as an example of a flight not paying its "fair share" for use of ATC resources. It's a not-terribly-subtle attack on corporate aviation.

I could defend the validity of corporate aviation, but I won't at this juncture: the problem is that their attack is poorly targeted and will have considerable collateral damage. For example, there are hundreds of small air-taxi operations that operate out of FBOs around the country, like the one from Addison, LA to Shreveport, LA that does four flights a day every day of the month. That's an additional $200 a flight x 4 x 30 for an additional $24,000 that the operation is going to have to come up with. Given the thin margins these operations run on, these user fees place the jobs of the pilots, mechanics, and FBO personnel at risk.

Furthermore the WH is pretending that Air Traffic Control is the only thing that the FAA funds in order to justify their claim that it isn't fair that a Southwest 737 pays more taxes than Apple's Gulfstream V. But the taxes that the FAA collects go toward airport maintenance grants, maintenance of the aging VOR-VORTAC system. Generally, support of the air transportation grid. The ATC is just one significant facet, but not the only facet.

As to your question about the ATC unions, they don't have a voice as the WH can (and likely will) assert these user fees via Executive Order.

[1] http://www.humanfactors.illinois.edu/Reports&PapersPDFs/... [2] http://www.aopa.org/asf/hotspot/vfrimc.html [3] http://www.shashek.com/Flight_Logs/Docs/iPilot_Articles/Shou...

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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While I don't much like Chris Dodd, what, exactly has he done wrong? Yes, he's said that MPAA members are going to be less likely to make campaign contributions to folks who don't vote the way the MPAA . So what? Do any of you contribute to candidates who do things that you don't like? Or, do you contribute only to those who do things that you do like? Why should MPAA members be any different? I note that candidates…

Chris Dodd is a crooked politician, and legislators of ilk are an malevolent force that is damaging american democracy. After publicly proclaiming that he would not be working as a lobbyist, he became the MPAA's lobbyist for $1.5M. As you can see from the history of SOPA/PIPA, his influence peddling was nearly successful in ramming this legislation through with little or no substantive debate. Before that, he was the…

> Chris Dodd is a crooked politician, and legislators of ilk are an malevolent force that is damaging american democracy.

> After publicly proclaiming that he would not be working as a lobbyist, he became the MPAA's lobbyist for $1.5M. As you can see from the history of SOPA/PIPA, his influence peddling was nearly successful in ramming this legislation through with little or no substantive debate.

Yes, but we're discussing whether it's wrong for the MPAA to announce that they're not donating any more money because SOPA wasn't passed.

The fact that Dodd was a corrupt politician is irrelevant to that discussion.

BTW - Dodd is arguably violating the law by being a lobbyist within two years of leaving office. But, that's off-topic.

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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As long as we have an uneven distribution of wealth, we will have an uneven distribution of power. It doesn't matter what laws you try to pass or what government you try to have. The entities who those laws threaten will fight against them.

Down voting is not going to help, have you heard his any speech in last year? in most of his speeches he has talked about distribution of wealth. What motivation does the smart people have if that happens? Entrepreneurs work hard and give up their social and personal lives to become successful and at the end of it if distribution of wealth happens who would want to do that? So my comment was not just a remark but is…

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Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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I did read that last sentence of yours and tried to think about your overall message. The part where you wrote about markets effectively translating selfish behavior into the greater good seemed to indicate that you thought the parts where markets aren't working are a side issue. I don't think everyone pursuing their own self interest is at all a good thing when done on a global scale. I think the features of markets…

> I don't think everyone pursuing their own self interest is at all a good thing when done on a global scale. I think that's irrelevant. Humans have whatever natural inclinations they have. Propose solutions that work with them or shut up; misanthropically blaming human nature isn't constructive in the slightest. Frankly, this is the same kind of unenlightened thinking that e.g. the Catholic Church applies to questio…

Your tone is inappropriate. There is no need for me to shut up.

Step 1 of fixing a problem is to understand the nature of the problem. If one thinks that selfishness is a good thing that leads to positive outcomes then the same destructive path we are on will continue. Recognition that everyone acting in their self-interest does not collectively yield good results would be a giant step forward into solving some of the pressing problems our species has.

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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It seems like this whole hubub is about someone stating openly what's a well known open secret in US politics: He who pays the piper calls the tune. I mean, really, EVERYONE knows this. "Why did my industry's trade association spend 1.8 million dollars on various candidates who may be voting on legislation that makes or costs us 10 times that much? Oh, no reason... we just think they are very nice ladies and gentleme…

>I'd really like to hear ideas of how we can stop this racket;

The law not only has failed, but the lawmaking process has become 100% corrupt, therefor one should consider options that are not lawful.

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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As a society, we need acknowledge that using money to influence voters is simply a way to increase voting power beyond "1 man, 1 vote". One way to mitigate that is to ban independent advertising on behalf of candidates (SuperPACs), require all donors to donate into a common pot which candidates may draw equally from, and require all media companies to provide equal time to candidates on their networks. A downside of…

> Requiring failed candidates to pay back a percentage of their spend may be a way to mitigate that (e.g. a "co-pay"). Doesn't this also create a pretty powerful disincentive for the non-wealthy to run?

There would need to be a mechanism which prevents insincere candidates from looting the common campaign financing pool.

As you pointed out, the challenge is to find the least bad one. In this country, many health plans require a co-pay of $10-$20 in order to see a doctor. The purpose of the co-pay is to deter would-be patients from flooding doctors with trivial inquiries who would then be able to bill insurers for their (wasted) time.

So, yes, a co-pay is a disincentive, but arguably less so than the disincentives present in the system it's proposed to replace.

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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> I don't think everyone pursuing their own self interest is at all a good thing when done on a global scale. I think that's irrelevant. Humans have whatever natural inclinations they have. Propose solutions that work with them or shut up; misanthropically blaming human nature isn't constructive in the slightest. Frankly, this is the same kind of unenlightened thinking that e.g. the Catholic Church applies to questio…

Your tone is inappropriate. There is no need for me to shut up. Step 1 of fixing a problem is to understand the nature of the problem. If one thinks that selfishness is a good thing that leads to positive outcomes then the same destructive path we are on will continue. Recognition that everyone acting in their self-interest does not collectively yield good results would be a giant step forward into solving some of th…

You're still not understanding my point; in fact, you've got it totally backwards. If people's actual behavior doesn't produce good results in the current political and economic system, change the system until it does. Don't try and change human nature, that's just ridiculous. If people are going to be self-interested, treat that as a requirement and build a system that gets the most common good out of that. You'll get more that way than by wringing your hands about individual sinfulness.

Re: White House Refuses To Comment On Petition To Investigate Chris Dodd

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It seems like this whole hubub is about someone stating openly what's a well known open secret in US politics: He who pays the piper calls the tune. I mean, really, EVERYONE knows this. "Why did my industry's trade association spend 1.8 million dollars on various candidates who may be voting on legislation that makes or costs us 10 times that much? Oh, no reason... we just think they are very nice ladies and gentleme…

I'd really like to hear ideas of how we can stop this racket I can think of a way to get money out of congress: remove elections. Think of it: serving in Congress could be like Jury Duty. Everyone's in the pool and every election cycle random people are selected from the pool and asked to serve. With no elections, there are no campaigns to donate to. It would be illegal for any Congressperson to accept any gifts or m…

That's a great idea. Just like the draft. There could even be a Constitutional boot camp, so you can learn how to be a member of Congress.
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