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UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#41

Side point - is £100k really $200k equivalent in US? With the huge costs here and how costly things are including consumer electronics, shouldn't it be cheaper in US as well? (I just moved to UK from India 6 months back)

£100k is equivalent to $200k in terms of what employers pay, not in terms of lifestyles/expenses

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#42

They’ll get someone who wants it on their resume and wants the network so they can move to private sector and sell back to the same department. The ole public-private two-step.

It seems to be a tactic some nefarious companies are resorting to. They dish out titles like candy to capture cheaper labour and to "upcycle" people in their career ladder.

Managing Director, Head Of Research, Chief of Staff,etc.

Then those roles have vice or assistant as modifiers to multiply how many roles they have.

Then they go further, they split their company units into actual companies and group it under a "Group". So now each one of those entities has their own CEO, Director, Managing Director, Head of, etc.

You know it's bad when a single company of barely 500 people has 5 CEOs, 50 C-level roles and countless meaningless titles given to downright incompetent individuals.

Unfortunately encountered one such company that I won't name. Needless to say, they were a crappy client.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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post #14

I think the job title is misleading, from the job listing: > We are looking for an experienced Head of Cyber Security to lead a team of two cyber analysts > We are a team of around 40, responsible for the Treasury’s technology, security and knowledge and information management services. So it's not _the_ Head - but _a_ head, and that 'head' has a relatively minor / junior manager role.

If you entire IT team is 40, it's plausible to assume that the entire security team is these 2 analysts and their sought-after boss. Even if it's "a" head, why would anyone qualified for leading an infosec team be interested?

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#45

The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.

I'm not sure where you got those figures, but the NHS pay scales are public. https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 Non-manager caps at ~£48k for most technical roles.

I was just thinking this. Know many NHS tech people in my circle. None earn 70k+.

Contractors potentially but they'd generally be on 100k+ if the rates are at all competitive. Though contracting has dwindled in recent times because of the IR35 legislation and org budgets.

I'm very much on the lookout for IT contracting gigs and don't come across many at all for the NHS.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#46
Might be a matter of 'job title inflation' - team is small (2 other analysts) and likely is a subdivision of what is a substantial department. Also, I location is potentially in Darlington, I wonder whether that is the main location given the salary level (55K in London is super low)

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#47
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

I worked at Coinbase making 140k GBP in base compensation. My SF based colleagues with the same job title were making 250k USD (so 202k GBP). We sat down one day and compared our household budgets line by line and in the end we estimated that 'money left over' for equivalent house, medical and kids education my American colleagues were slightly better off, but maybe only by 5-10k USD per year. Anecdatally ...

How much of the budget was mortgage? Because with mortgage you can sell the expensive house afterwards.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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post #14

I think the job title is misleading, from the job listing: > We are looking for an experienced Head of Cyber Security to lead a team of two cyber analysts > We are a team of around 40, responsible for the Treasury’s technology, security and knowledge and information management services. So it's not _the_ Head - but _a_ head, and that 'head' has a relatively minor / junior manager role.

As I understand it, Head is what you call someone that's leading a group of people and they don't have the on-paper experience to do it, or you don't want to give them the title for any other reason. Also why startups tend to have more "heads" of things and at some point shift to having VPs

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#49

Side point - is £100k really $200k equivalent in US? With the huge costs here and how costly things are including consumer electronics, shouldn't it be cheaper in US as well? (I just moved to UK from India 6 months back)

£100k is equivalent to $200k in terms of what employers pay, not in terms of lifestyles/expenses

I was asking about this line from the linked post:

> Yes, I am simplifying but, most people in the UK on £100k a year will have a lifestyle similar to, if not better than, most people in the US living on US$200k a year.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#50
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

I earn well above that and my effective tax rate is well below 50%. The top marginal rate is 47% except for a narrow band due to phase out of personal allowance, but my effective rate is lower.

With respect to VAT, it nudges my total tax paid up about 4 percentage points. Total, including VAT, NI, and council tax is still well below 50%.

Remember, you're not going to spend nearly all of your pre tax earnings on VAT rated goods and services, given you pay tax and housing andany other things which does not incur VAT.

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