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what do the owners of production do when the 6 billion workers decide they don't like not being able to eat?
Give them a bit of food and a lot of entertainment...
"Let them eat cake!"
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I think you’re sidestepping the point here. The point is that the combo of these systems becomes one unit. One integrated system. That’s the new system to measure. Similarly, your prefrontal cortex without a hippocampus sucks. The combo of them (and other distinct parts of the brain that handle specific functions and have specific purposes that interact with other parts in a specific way) - that is what causes our sp…
Yeah this is a valid criticism of the Chinese Room (called the "Systems Counterargument")[1]. I think it's a weak-ish riposte in this context though, mainly because we have no real idea how our own brains work and how their parts causaly interact (other than handwavy "these neurons are firing in this area"). [1] https://iep.utm.edu/chinese-room-argument/#SH2a
I think the most likely case is that the properties of a system that leads to emergent behavior (part of complexity science) are very much present in the brain where the various components with a proper balance leads to the intelligence we have.
An interesting intelligence emerges from a colony of ants compared to one. An interesting intelligence emerges from the relations of the various parts of the brain. An interesting intelligence emerges from the combo of techniques that have led to GPT and other surprising AIs. Same with a human, to two humans collaborating, to tribes to companies to cities etc. And likely same by combining/integrating GPT-4 type of LLMs with other tools and with other specific purpose LLMs - a greater unit of significance will emerge. (The non-predictability of this with current science is what is kind of scary to me.)
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If it's so easy to see what's up with what I wrote above, then it should be pretty easy to say what's up with it. You've already written 87 words to dismiss it, but not a single word to say why you dismiss it. I think that's because you have no idea how to explain why something is, or isn't understanding, or reasoning. In your comment above you accuse people of not being able to tell you clearly why GPT-4 is not reas…
>> I don't understand your derision. Where is the "straw man"? I find it very difficult to believe at this point that you are arguing in good faith. Your COPY-PASTE example is nonsensical as already pointed out. Do you also think that a printing press (or a rubber-stamp for that matter) demonstrates reasoning?
>> Your COPY-PASTE example is nonsensical as already pointed out.
But will you explain why it is nonsensical? Because that has not yet been pointed out.
Lest you forget, here is what the OP said that I replied to:
>> when i show the output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand, the arguments quickly shift to "it's not real understanding!" and it's honestly very bizarre.
I also showed "output" that "clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand[ing]". Why is that nonsensical?
Edit: although it won't be very helpful to discuss this if you're not the OP and don't make the same assumptions as they. But go ahead anyway.
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#254Am I the only one with an uneasy feeling about all these advancements? Are we going fast or is it just because of the buzz? I have a hard time separating the two. It’s very exiting and I want to keep being exited. I don’t want to become terrified.
I’d say we’ve been going slower than I thought. Evolution is exponential. Honestly it’s about time we find a cure for cancer, for example. I’m extremely excited about this and can’t wait for this to get better and better. My biggest hope is anti-aging through cellular regeneration or reprogramming or similar.
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I agree, I suspect AGI is possible right now with a similar system only slightly more sophisticated than this one. The right "glue" for existing models, and plugins to existing data sources all coordinated in a system. GTP-4 would do the managing, and handling, and some simple template API and handler script would allow it to call instances of itself or other models, track recursion depth, and automatically remind GT…
I agree in general, though I think you're being too optimistic about GPT4 finding and fixing its mistakes. I haven't been using it much, but the only thing where it performed flawlessly was translating a simple song into Spanish. At the same time, GPT is a total sycophant and this makes it rather hard to work with. Whenever I give it feedback it agrees with whatever I have said and then proceeds to produce paragraphs…
At least not the models we have access to
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There will be no AGI during our lifetime. It seems weird to me that people that should understand how ML works (e.g. sama) instead of educating laypeople about about how this actually works and the huge limits the technology has, start talking nonsense about AGIs like some random scifi fan at a convention. Depressing.
I'll take the other side of that bet
Heh, @Manjuuu winning this bet would imply both of your deaths ...
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#258Can we please stop generating bounding boxes and instead generate a proper segmentation using bitmasks?
Page 14 of the document does exactly that.
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> An actual intelligence would have a mental model of the world deeper than the connection between one token and the next Why are you so confident in this? We don't really know how human "intelligence" works. Whose to say it's not doing something similar? It's a bit like saying an audio file doesn't contain "music" because it's just a binary representation of the original work.
If I ask a human what their favorite flavor of ice cream is, they will answer based on their actual preference for different kinds of ice cream. If I ask a chat LLM what its favorite flavor of ice cream is, it will select a statistically likely answer to the question. That's the difference. For reference: my favorite ice cream flavor is cake batter, but only if it's the one at Cold Stone. If it's from somewhere else,…
GPT’s only sensor input is text, but if it were able to taste maybe it would learn a favorite ice cream flavor too.
Why do you prefer cake batter ice cream? Because of some sequence of events leading up to present point in time (not unlike training), and/or random genetic variations (not unlike setting “temperature” parameter in GPT to >0)
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#260I strongly suspect the first AGI will come sooner than expected on the back of a "glue" AI that can intelligently bond together a web of narrow AIs and utilities. I got access to the wolfram plugin for chatGPT, and it turned it from a math dummy to a math genius overnight. A small step for sure, but a hint of what's to come.
I agree, I suspect AGI is possible right now with a similar system only slightly more sophisticated than this one. The right "glue" for existing models, and plugins to existing data sources all coordinated in a system. GTP-4 would do the managing, and handling, and some simple template API and handler script would allow it to call instances of itself or other models, track recursion depth, and automatically remind GT…
Honestly the whole fear mongering around AGI is kind of annoying. We are very far away from AGI, and its driving focus away from the main issues that people should be paying attention to.
An AGI, by definition, can start with zero information, and learn on its own. Where are the models for that? The closest thing we have is Mu Zero, but we have to give it an objective function, which destroys the whole idea of AGI in the first place (as it should be able to generate its own objective functions) and it takes a shitload of resources to run for a very limited rule set. Until you have something like this in place, no version of Chat GPT will even come close to AGI. The problems that chat GPTs are solving are turning out to be not as complex as we thought, thats all that the "sparks of AGI" are.
What will happen assuming the current course of iteration on the models is that humanity will get is essentially better and better software that can solve a large range of complex problems. You will have essentially a large body of human knowledge that is compressed in some form, with the ability to interpolate between branches very efficiently. This will create issues because you will now be able to ask multi modal questions like "what do I need to do economically to ensure ultimate compliance of the population?", and the solution will involve things like which government offices to target with what information, generated videos of propaganda, special products that promote addition or some other health changes, e.t.c.
To prepare against this, the solution isn't to lock down the models and hide the key while telling everyone how AGI is going to kill us all, the solution is to allow everyone access to this and let the AIs fight against each other and reach an equilibrium.