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Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by charcircuit »

akomtu wrote: post #101
charcircuit wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MV3 is more than declarativeNetRequest and the reason why declarativeNetRequest improves privacy is that users are not giving out as overly broad permission. A user may want to block ads, but may also want to not give the ad blocker the ability to observe the requests. Even if the user trusts the developer of the adblocker, there is always the chance they get hacked. The average user should not be giving out the webR…

If that was the case, mv3 would let extensions block arbitrary requests on a subdomain, e.g. "uBO wants to block requests on *.com, Yes/No".

Trying to keep webRequestBlocking around would mean that the performance benefits of declareNetRequest wouldn't propogate an well as it could. The worst offendors of being slow to block requests are likely to be the same extentions who wouldn't migrate to declareNetRequest.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by blibble »

charcircuit wrote: post #111
akomtu wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was the case, mv3 would let extensions block arbitrary requests on a subdomain, e.g. "uBO wants to block requests on *.com, Yes/No".

Trying to keep webRequestBlocking around would mean that the performance benefits of declareNetRequest wouldn't propogate an well as it could. The worst offendors of being slow to block requests are likely to be the same extentions who wouldn't migrate to declareNetRequest.

you know what's even slower?

pulling down 15mb of bullshit ads on every single page

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by michaelmrose »

xchkr1337 wrote: post #56
kej wrote: post #46

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You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days.

I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled brows…

You need a robust font selection. With few options installed the replacements selected autom6for some are kind of shitty. On arch you can install ttf-ms-fonts other options are available.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by qbasic_forever »

qwertox wrote: post #44

> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback: If uBlock Origin loses full control over what gets loaded and what not, I will immediately uninstall Chrome from all my and my family's devices and switch back to Firefox, after a decade of using Chrome as the main browser. I will then also recommend the excl…

Just switch now, I dumped Chrome two years ago and haven't looked back. Firefox is great, and you can even use it on mobile--with ublock!

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by RobotToaster »

freedomben wrote: post #13
shmde wrote: post #10

I love it when advertisment companies who make money handcrafting the perfect ad for you, analysing your search history, talk about Privacy. Yes, this V3 manifest will break adblockers but think about your pRiVaCy gUys!!!

I don't disagree with you (always follow the money), but on the other hand, who better to understand the privacy concerns than the people who work around them for a living? I would definitely want to listen to them. That doesn't mean we just take what they say uncritically, but their perspective is very important.

We absolutely should listen to them, and then do the exact opposite of what they want.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by eli »

danielheath wrote: post #106
arcanemachiner wrote: post #102

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Or at least change their user agent to skew the statistics. :/

Statistics come from google analytics, which most Firefox users block. When I compare stats from my webservers with GA, it’s clear that either bots overwhelmingly prefer Firefox UAs, or it’s underrepresented in GA stats.

If the Firefox version is more than a year old, it’s a bot.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by bscphil »

bitcharmer wrote: post #63
xchkr1337 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled brows…

> I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches Been using Firefox on Linux as my daily driver and haven't seen any of that. Can you provide any examples?

Admittedly there are a lot of variables here, and this may not be a fair test at all, but it's interesting to me that Firefox on Windows loads many web pages much faster (relative to Chrome) than Firefox on Linux loads those same web pages (according to Mozilla's own metrics).

Take a look at IMDb, Imgur, LinkedIn, Netflix, Outlook, Twitter, Wikipedia on the following pages. In all these cases, using Chrome's performance as a benchmark, Firefox performs worse on Linux (often significantly) than it does on Windows. I didn't see any cases where Linux performs significantly better than Windows.

https://arewefastyet.com/win10/warm-page-load/overview?numDa...

https://arewefastyet.com/linux64/warm-page-load/overview?num...

Wikipedia is a shocking case (because it's such a simple site). Chrome loads Wikipedia in about the same time on Linux as it does on Windows (unsurprisingly). Firefox takes almost three times longer!

Again, I don't have any way to get enough data to verify these numbers. They might be incorrect. But if Mozilla's performance metrics for Firefox on Linux are screwy, then doesn't it speak in favor of OP's point that nobody has looked into the issue and fixed it?

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

eli wrote: post #116
danielheath wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistics come from google analytics, which most Firefox users block. When I compare stats from my webservers with GA, it’s clear that either bots overwhelmingly prefer Firefox UAs, or it’s underrepresented in GA stats.

If the Firefox version is more than a year old, it’s a bot.

Or, the first time I've booted this computer in >1 yr.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by jiggawatts »

flatiron wrote: post #99
jiggawatts wrote: post #92

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Not just Google, all of Silicon Valley. Here on HN, I regularly see comments along the lines of: "Wait, do people actually still use Windows on servers!?" Yes, yes they do.

In the last 10 years I haven’t had a single contract dealing with a windows server. Im sure that someone somewhere does indeed use it. But it’s gotta be 90%+ now a days Linux.

Selection bias. Do you work in Silicon Valley, at startups, or ex-FAANG places? Are you a "Linux person" looking for work related to Linux technologies such as NGINX, MySQL, Postgres, Apache, etc...?

Here in Australia it's a rare thing for me to see a Linux server. They exist, sure, but are generally in the minority.

I have some self-selection biases as well, but I regularly work for large orgs with more than 10K staff and I've been to orgs with over 1K IT staff, and in all cases Linux servers were 30% of the fleet or less.

By some[1] metrics, Windows Server is about 50% of the worldwide server OS market[2]: https://www.t4.ai/industry/server-operating-system-market-sh...

[1] Market research related to server OS usage is notoriously unreliable, with idiotic things such as counting "NGINX" load balancers as a "Linux web server" even if it is one tiny load-balancer VM in front a whole fleet of Windows IIS servers running ASP.NET. There are also the "hyperscalers" that skew distributions. The FAANGS alone add hundreds of millions of Linux instances, but in huge farms of essentially identical clones. At a single medium-sized customer, they have over 1K distinct Window Server VMs or HA pairs, but they also have 1x HPC cluster with 1K Linux nodes. Do you count that as "1" Linux install, or "1000"?

[2] Again, is it just counting the "for money" market, or just the "list of all systems used for servers, including the unsupported free distros?" Microsoft doesn't publish a separate line-item for their Windows Server revenue, for example, making it hard to determine how much it's still being used.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by [deleted] »

ikiris wrote: post #93
Kye wrote: post #34

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I remember getting into it with a Google person in a forum once. They kept insisting they couldn't do real, portable files in Google Drive for Docs because that would break collaboration. They didn't seem able to understand I didn't want collaboration. I wanted to be able to open my word processor/spreadsheet/etc files in other tools without needing to connect to the internet (predates offline mode). I wanted to be a…

Collaboration is the killer feature of the docs ecosystem. You will never convince them to break it for X reason.

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