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Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by lukeschlather »

famouswaffles wrote: post #60
dvt wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the litmus test for intelligence Moving goal posts around is unhelpful. I think my comment was pretty clear in the context of AGI and calling ChatGPT a "math genius."

The fact that people take agi to mean "can invent new math" is a goalpost shift on its own. That was not the original meaning (generally intelligent), that wasn't even the next moved goal (on par with human experts). I guess the next one counts (better than all human experts) but i'm sure we'll move that again too.

> The fact that people take agi to mean "can invent new math" is a goalpost shift on its own.

I don't think this is a goalpost shift at all. I agree that GPT actually is "generally intelligent" but then so is Google Search. The point of the term AGI is that it has generally applicable intelligence that is on par with a human, I don't think that's really changed.

The problem with GPT is still that every single interaction I've had with it, I've pointed out issues with its logic and it is incapable of understanding my objection. It agrees with whatever I say and then immediately repeats the same mistake. And these aren't "invent new math" questions, there's a very clear inability to follow a logical chain of cause and effect.

I should be clear at the same time I still have a feeling ChatGPT might be conscious. It's obviously kind of a dreamlike consciousness without ability to hold state but it does feel like it could be conscious.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #206
famouswaffles wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't see anything up with the nonsensical paragraph you typed then there isn't enough intelligence to continue this conversation. Maybe Ask GPT-4 for help. It has the patience I don't. Either way, this is the end for me. Believe whatever you want, it's none of my business really. Good day.

If it's so easy to see what's up with what I wrote above, then it should be pretty easy to say what's up with it. You've already written 87 words to dismiss it, but not a single word to say why you dismiss it. I think that's because you have no idea how to explain why something is, or isn't understanding, or reasoning. In your comment above you accuse people of not being able to tell you clearly why GPT-4 is not reas…

>> I don't understand your derision. Where is the "straw man"?

I find it very difficult to believe at this point that you are arguing in good faith.

Your COPY-PASTE example is nonsensical as already pointed out.

Do you also think that a printing press (or a rubber-stamp for that matter) demonstrates reasoning?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by chatmasta »

simon_000666 wrote: post #182

ChatGTP/4 is to AGI what pepper’s ghost is to holography. It’s a parlor trick, even if you add plugins or the ability to call other hugging face ML models - it’s just a parlor trick with fancier bells and whistles. All it is doing is using stochastic gradient descent to predict the next word in a sequence based on an enormous sophisticated training set designed to amaze people. Thinking it has advanced because it can…

Setting aside whether you're right or wrong about this... assuming you are right, then are you worried this will set everyone down the wrong path? That we'll spend ten years iterating on transformer models, never getting any closer to AGI? Is there another direction you think we should be moving toward instead (or at least simultaneously)?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

lukeschlather wrote: post #241
famouswaffles wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that people take agi to mean "can invent new math" is a goalpost shift on its own. That was not the original meaning (generally intelligent), that wasn't even the next moved goal (on par with human experts). I guess the next one counts (better than all human experts) but i'm sure we'll move that again too.

> The fact that people take agi to mean "can invent new math" is a goalpost shift on its own. I don't think this is a goalpost shift at all. I agree that GPT actually is "generally intelligent" but then so is Google Search. The point of the term AGI is that it has generally applicable intelligence that is on par with a human, I don't think that's really changed. The problem with GPT is still that every single interac…

>> is that it has generally applicable intelligence that is on par with a human

Which human or humans?

I freely admit that I do not posses the intelligence to "invent new math" but I am pretty sure that I am "smarter than the average bear" (to borrow a phrase).

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

dvt wrote: post #166
pixl97 wrote: post #163

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It's a question of latency... It takes you, what, seconds to type digits into a calculator? But if you embedded a calculator into your brain and could put in and pull values out of it in microseconds how are you different from a math genius? Same with millisecond access to Google earth, at some point smarts+speed of access is a system within itself.

> But if you embedded a calculator into your brain and could put in and pull values out of it in microseconds how are you different from a math genius? Tao, Perelman, Wiles etc. aren't math geniuses because they can multiply numbers fast (which is a super weird definition of "math genius" tbh). They're math geniuses because they answer really hard questions in creative and unexpected ways; ways that often open up ent…

>> Tao, Perelman, Wiles etc. aren't math geniuses because they can multiply numbers fast

You're getting stuck on semantics.

I expect Tao, Perelman, Wiles, etc. can process/handle/deal with numbers much more rapidly than I can.

Now imagine if these folks could do the same, except 10x or 100x or 1000x faster, without having to ever be bothered with things like sleep or food.

This may not be a good definition of a "Math Genius" but it is reasonable to think that all or most "Math Geniuses" possess this skill. Speed matters.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by thomasskis »

simon_000666 wrote: post #240
Escapado wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And while it may be true that it is far from AGI, I don’t think calling it a parlor trick does it justice. I used it this morning to set up a new workout routine for myself after having it write a little boilerplate typescript code to bootstrap 70% of a micro service I want to set up. My girlfriend who is studying react got a lot of value out of it by having compile errors explained to her. My mum uses it to practice…

Yeah I agree that’s fair, a parlor trick is perhaps a little harsh. ChatGTP can provide value - It’s arguable whether having done that ‘with classical’ methods could have been more efficient or whether the end result is as good - (btw careful with code - in my experience ChatGTP often thinks it knows what is wrong but is way off - something an experienced coder would notice immediately). Do you remember the tamagotch…

Weird behaviour I’ve noticed is a lot of folks on the unimpressed/doomism side of AI consistently say GTP instead of GPT, I wonder why this pattern exists?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by thomasskis »

trifurcate wrote: post #190
simon_000666 wrote: post #182

ChatGTP/4 is to AGI what pepper’s ghost is to holography. It’s a parlor trick, even if you add plugins or the ability to call other hugging face ML models - it’s just a parlor trick with fancier bells and whistles. All it is doing is using stochastic gradient descent to predict the next word in a sequence based on an enormous sophisticated training set designed to amaze people. Thinking it has advanced because it can…

Is this some kind of copypasta? Too many tropes all at once. "GTP" on top of all this is too on the nose.

Ha I just commented above at the pattern of people in this camp using “GTP” fairly consistently.

What a curious psychological study, maybe dyslexic people feel more threatened by a large language model so clearly understanding words that they’re more likely to attempt to discredit it?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

simon_000666 wrote: post #238
adhocmobility wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are being given a chance to dispute it. Give an example of a problem that any human would be easily able to solve but GPT4 wouldn't. >> "good model of a model of reality" That is just a model of reality. Also, a "model of reality" is what you'd typically call a world model. Its an intuition for how the world works, how people behave, that apples fall from trees and that orange is more similar to red than it is to…

Can chatgtp ride a bicycle? Can you ride a bicycle? If you ‘d never rode on a bicycle before - do you think if you read enough books on bicycle riding, the physics of bicycle riding, the physics of the universe - you would have anywhere near as complete a model of bicycle riding as someone who’d actually rode on a bicycle before. Sure you’d be able to talk a great game about riding bicycles - but when it comes to the…

Could Stephen Hawking ride a bicycle?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

barking_biscuit wrote: post #202
simon_000666 wrote: post #182

ChatGTP/4 is to AGI what pepper’s ghost is to holography. It’s a parlor trick, even if you add plugins or the ability to call other hugging face ML models - it’s just a parlor trick with fancier bells and whistles. All it is doing is using stochastic gradient descent to predict the next word in a sequence based on an enormous sophisticated training set designed to amaze people. Thinking it has advanced because it can…

I don't think whether it's AGI or not actually matters when it starts materially affecting the economy.

+10 Very well-said (and to-the-point).

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by tanseydavid »

marshray wrote: post #56
quonn wrote: post #7

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I disagree. ChatGPT is a clear turning point. We have not been going too fast before, at least not outside LLMs. Singularity is a belief system, it has very little to do with AI. edit: I also think if we would ever get to a point where AI gets close to a point of possibly getting out of control as you imply it would simply be banned in the US/Canada/EU/Australia. Furthermore Latin America and Africa could and would b…

Kind of like how we could just ban fossil fuels if they ever start to become a problem.

Or drugs!
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