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Re: Where have all the laid-off tech workers gone?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

nostrademons wrote: post #309
em500 wrote: post #104

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Sure, but an ex-FAANGer probably has a better shot at actually getting hired at another FAANG (when the job market improves) than someone who's only worked at no-name shops or local governments.

The implied logic behind that is "I know my company is a worse option than many of the other ones out there, so I'm going to only hire people who those other companies would not do business with." It's inherently a low self-esteem attitude. People leave, sometimes suddenly and without warning. The high self-esteem way to deal with it is to do your best to provide an attractive working environment, accept that some pe…

Reminds me of this chestnut: "We don't train our people! What if we do, and they leave?" "What if you don't, and they stay?"

Heck, having someone sharp with a new perspective even for a year could significantly improve things for the better. If you get out of their way of course.

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Post by dwild »

We all saw the charts showing the number of employees if the past few years and that they just laid off the over hiring... No one remember during that time how we were lacking employees too? I know at my job which is not a sexy one, we were struggling to find new hire. We are still hiring... just as much as before.

That's where they are going. To the place that wanted them in the first place. All theses peoples didn't appear out of thin air (though for sure the amazing pay did pushed some to go to "bootcamp" or whatever, but that's been true for the past decade). It's the normal amount of workers that would have been hired otherwise.

In any other field, sure maybe there could be more workers than demands, but in tech, placement has been good and it won't change in a few years (as it takes a few years of school).

The only thing that may change is the pay expectation of theses workers, as the one that did the laid off are the one that were paying a pretty penny for theses jobs.

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

PreachSoup wrote: post #212
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #118

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Stripe. They are a payment processor and work in Finance. What significant contributions to tech have they produced? I'm not being snarky, I'm just not familiar with any off the top of my head like I know React came from FB/Meta, Google & Amazon produce all sorts of cloud computing stuff, Apple produces lots of libraries/frameworks (most likely for their own hardware/ecosystem), Bootstrap came out of Twitter, etc.

U got be kidding me. I'm not from Stripe but fintech is insanely complex when you want to do the dirty work and untangle all kinds of legal and financial mess to provide services globally. They are not called aws for payment for no reason

Does that mean that any company doing finance is tech? If we, as a community, decide to tag every industry with "tech" like fintech, agritech, edtech, etc. to companies that are disrupting some industry it loses any meaning. Is every SaaS a tech company? Is disrupting the time tracking or invoice industry mean that is tech?

I think the qualifier is for companies that contribute something back, which many of those disruptor companies are using. Usually this contribution is some by-product since there are only a few companies who actually have main products as Tech.

Personally I avoid using the word "tech" and just say I do software stuff. Most people outside of computing just think its all the same anyhow ("can you help me with my wifi?" - In Laws, everywhere).

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Post by whateveracct »

dharmab wrote: post #393
lazyasciiart wrote: post #391

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Seattle is moving towards a ban on gas blowers, I cannot wait.

A few places have done this and the best part is the lawn companies don't mind because the electric blowers are really good anyway

I bought a house a few years ago and got all electric yard tools (mower, trimmer, blower, and more - all Ego). They're a joy to use. Such a step up from the gas tools of my youth.

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Post by bradlys »

pb7 wrote: post #351
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #284

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>or are a terrible romantic partner Woah, while you might be right to some extent, it feels pretty harsh to judge someone else so superficially just on where they choose to travel, and what they do there, and at what age they do it.

The entire comment is judgmental and insecure. There are just as many women only there to do yoga and “find themselves”, and they have the nerve to be white too.

I included women in the comment as well. We’re just focused on the remote digital nomad type - which is often men.

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Post by grogenaut »

wonder_er wrote: post #394
Adraghast wrote: post #360

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The pitch is that businesses can reduce parking congestion (is there a dollar value you can pin to this?) by paying you to act as a personal scooter consultant for their employees? During research did you come across any mass-market applications of this sort of concierge service? It sounds very niche/upscale. I can’t think of any purchase I’ve made where I could have even found someone to hold my hand through it that…

Oh, and: > I can’t think of any purchase I’ve made where I could have even found someone to hold my hand through it that wasn’t the person making the sale. May I interest you in adding 'scooter' to your toolbox of personal mobility options??? I've coached friends through the process remotely. Now that I'm trying to turn this into a business, I'd gladly pilot the process remotely. Scooters are SUPER convenient. Imagin…

For that cash I can just have a motorcycle or an e-bike. Why would I want a scooter in this case? Not dissing on scooters, I don't get it though. Bikes and motorocyles are a lot more stable at speed than scooters.

OH YOU MEAN A MOPED... not a Lime Scooter. OK... we're on the same page.

Yeah I'll keep rocking my FJR but I'd do a e-moped if I had rides around my house, tho for that an e-bike is more compelling. FJR oddly gets 40+mpg.

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Post by grogenaut »

wonder_er wrote: post #402
lazyasciiart wrote: post #392

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Why scooters? Why not also aim for electric bikes, for instance?

I've got a bunch of reasons. No single one is the end all 'super conclusive', but in aggregate it makes a good case for scooters. Tldr the capacity, speed, range, and ease of adding gas (vs charging at a station) of a scooter is an order of magnitude better than an ebike. Easier to park, too. You don't have to lock them up like you do a bike. Have you ever ridden a scooter? It's much closer to a motorcycle than a bik…

Do they make good E-scooters yet?

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Post by grogenaut »

wonder_er wrote: post #268
ecshafer wrote: post #188

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> Working on going independent here in Denver, acting as a 'broker' between businesses and their staff/customers to convert single-occupancy-vehicle-users to scooters, to increase the functional number of parking spaces in a given parking lot by 10% or more. How do you make money doing this? I also don't see how you really achieve this as a business. The best way to do this would imo run for city council with the bac…

How to make money: Offer this as a service to a business. The service (which I'm charging for, but don't yet have customers) is: 1. Paint some scooter parking lines in a reasonable spot, and add a signage explaining why the org wants to incentivize scooter usage. 2. The scooter parking would make use of existing nooks and crannys in the parking lot, so it wouldn't take away existing car parking. 3. Work with the staf…

Okay, I commented below but you mean a MOPED type scooter not a lime / bird type e-push scooter.... I literally was imagining you out in the street marking lines on the pavement for lime scooters that are the size of... well the lines in the first place and was like "this dude is off his rocker"

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Post by grogenaut »

operatingthetan wrote: post #282
closeparen wrote: post #272

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>You really don't need a Peloton bike and other conspicuous consumption signs. It would be quite hard for frivolous spending to become a problem on levels.fyi money. What you really have to watch out for is things like buying a house or starting a family. Not only are they much larger in absolute terms, but you must sustain them at the same quantity every month for decades. Nothing is easy or pleasant to cut back on,…

I have a friend who works at Meta working on the Metaverse as a TPM and they just sold their house and bought one twice as large (and expensive). I've warned them it's a risky situation but they didn't agree. They remain employed but if I were in that situation I'd be pulling my hair out. On the other hand my house is 1/3 the size and I could pay the mortgage working retail if I had to. I'm worried about a bunch of f…

Buying a 2M house is absurdly different than a peloton bike. Esp if you use the bike. Hell buying new cars every few years and a peloton are worlds of difference. you're not buying a new peleton every 5 years, and even if you did it'd be $10k at the outside not $30k every 5 years per car.

This is like trying not to have a starbucks every day to save cash but not shopping on your mortgage to save .5%.

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Post by bentt »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #391
ericmcer wrote: post #322

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A career change is really attractive but adjusting salary expectations is brutal. Skilled jobs I was interested in and assumed were making $30+ an hour I looked into and found they are closer to $18-20/hr. After tech gigs making 250k+ with equity it is a pretty brutal downgrade. My interest is in starting an all electric gardening company, electric tools have caught up to gas ones, they are almost silent and have 0 e…

Seattle is moving towards a ban on gas blowers, I cannot wait.

Burlington VT banned gas leaf blowers but also defunded the police so… yeah, no change.
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