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San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by KennyBlanken »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

New York of the 1970s [1] is a better analogy than 9/11. San Francisco is going broke. Not because of terrorism, but due to its own devices. It will need to be bailed out. When that happens, the state will take over and face the realities its voters choose to ignore. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-night-new-york-...

San Francisco is largely owned and controlled by about a half dozen extremely wealthy families, who don't just control SF...they're also "kingmakers" for the governor's office, and have been using their influence for personal gain for decades: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-...

Not a dime of public money should go to bailing out the Guggenhimes, Buells, Swigs, Marcuses, Fishers, Gettys, and Pritzkers.

As Biden said: oh boo hoo, capitalism working as intended.

Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by godzillabrennus »

baron816 wrote: post #4

It all comes down to housing. If you make it affordable to build housing, you make housing affordable. If you make housing affordable, then you make services affordable.

The fact that San Francisco does not have the population density of Manhattan is a testament to the impact of NIMBYISM.

Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by lkjwelkjlk3t »

lkjwelkjlk3t wrote: post #29
jeffbee wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the fact that Prop J cruised to victory and Prop I went down in flames shows that the influence of the old guard is waning. There is a proliferation of groups trying to flex tech money in SF politics: Grow SF, Abundant SF, Together SF. And they are aligned with state politicians who get the goods like Weiner, Newsom, and Haney. Supervisor Peskin is termed out, again, in 2024 and Preston and his band of fake-a…

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Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by ghaff »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

New York of the 1970s [1] is a better analogy than 9/11. San Francisco is going broke. Not because of terrorism, but due to its own devices. It will need to be bailed out. When that happens, the state will take over and face the realities its voters choose to ignore. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-night-new-york-...

And the 1970s financial woes aside, NYC also had a lot of petty and not so petty street crime mostly into the 80s. A lot of the area around Times Square was pretty bad, for example. [ADDED: It was really the 90s that saw the ~75% declines from peak.]

I imagine a lot of the direct comparisons break down in various ways. But, at a high level, you see similarities.

Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by dangrover »

jeffbee wrote: post #10
floren wrote: post #2

Hey, congratulations SF. You spent over a decade whining about tech-bros and Google buses. Guess those problems are solved now!

I think the fact that Prop J cruised to victory and Prop I went down in flames shows that the influence of the old guard is waning. There is a proliferation of groups trying to flex tech money in SF politics: Grow SF, Abundant SF, Together SF. And they are aligned with state politicians who get the goods like Weiner, Newsom, and Haney. Supervisor Peskin is termed out, again, in 2024 and Preston and his band of fake-a…

Yes, Haney was originally very NIMBY in his politics but has become more moderate.

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Post by d23 »

ricksunny wrote: post #15

'verge of collapse' & 'brink of collapse' are some of the most frequently-slung clickbait phrases in the editor's grab-bag. Already collapsed? Not going to collapse? Neither newsworthy. 'about to collapse'? That's your stress response being triggered, to be satisfied by clicking on the headline to ascertain how to either head off the stress source or be infotained by it.

Any thoughts on the content of the article itself?

Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?

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Post by imwithstoopid »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #31
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #8

New York of the 1970s [1] is a better analogy than 9/11. San Francisco is going broke. Not because of terrorism, but due to its own devices. It will need to be bailed out. When that happens, the state will take over and face the realities its voters choose to ignore. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-night-new-york-...

San Francisco is largely owned and controlled by about a half dozen extremely wealthy families, who don't just control SF...they're also "kingmakers" for the governor's office, and have been using their influence for personal gain for decades: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-... Not a dime of public money should go to bailing out the Guggenhimes, Buells, Swigs, Marcuses, Fishers, Gettys, a…

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