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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by windowsrookie »

austinl wrote: post #427
fofoz wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…

I work part time at a pizzeria. If you do this try to remember when you order food for delivery. It has become a problem with our drivers. The customer doesn’t answer the phone and our drivers spend 10 minutes trying to contact the customer (delaying the next customers order). Eventually, our drivers give up and the customer (now angry) calls back an hour later demanding their food.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by throwaway019254 »

munk-a wrote: post #412
Helmut10001 wrote: post #254

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Report from Germany: Haven't received a spam call in years.

Report from Canada: I might receive something like three spam calls in the past year. I don't know why my spam dropped so significantly when I moved up to Canada but it was quite dramatic compared to the US. There are periodic waves but I tend to miss out of them - I suspect because Canada works hard to prevent dumb auto-dialers from working.

I live in Vancouver and spam calls significantly dropped for me too. It's only a few calls a week now.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by seydor »

ithkuil wrote: post #637
seydor wrote: post #435

While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

> Italy has great engineers Most of them work abroad. The brain exodus (fuga dei cervelli) may have slowed down in the last few years, but depending how the situation evolves it may resume

Sadly true for all south europe

But i do think that outright banning foreign products is a way to grow some tech sector.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by ransom1538 »

moffkalast wrote: post #553
seydor wrote: post #435

While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

> Italy has great engineers Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though. > this is obviously a dumb move It's also a dumb move by OpenAI to pretend they can get away with not processing data in the EU like any other service has to. Just spin up a few instances, what's the big deal? It's just complete arrogance on their part. GDPR i…

"GDPR is not an optional suggestion."

No it's some dumb fad. If you are not in Europe just disregard it. You don't have to respect Republic of Peru laws either.

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Post by SergeAx »

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

This is because OpenAI already knows your name and a lot more about you.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by ithkuil »

seydor wrote: post #653
ithkuil wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Italy has great engineers Most of them work abroad. The brain exodus (fuga dei cervelli) may have slowed down in the last few years, but depending how the situation evolves it may resume

Sadly true for all south europe But i do think that outright banning foreign products is a way to grow some tech sector.

If the ban was done at a Eu level I'd agree that it's possible that it would spur some growth, but I don't think Italy alone could do it. There is not enough internal demand for automation

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by ithkuil »

austinl wrote: post #427
fofoz wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…

If I silence calls from unknown numbers I would get most deliveries since the couriers often ask for help finding the house or just won't bother coming unless they verify somebody is at home

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by shanebellone »

khazhoux wrote: post #532
austinl wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…

> I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. And the real-life version of this: you're not morally required to open the front door (or even acknowledge) if you don't knock the person ringing your doorbell. You can actually just... ignore them.

"> I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back.

And the real-life version of this: you're not morally required to open the front door (or even acknowledge) if you don't knock the person ringing your doorbell. You can actually just... ignore them."

I do both and keep my phone on do not disturb with a few bypasses (starred contacts). Neither technology nor people should be able to demand my attention and unilaterally dictate the terms.

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Post by wkat4242 »

narag wrote: post #640
wkat4242 wrote: post #615

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Same in Spain. I get calls every day from energy companies pretending to be my own provider and having lots of data on me like my name and contact numbers. Privacy is so broken here.

The Android phone application --I think it's by Google-- alerts of most suspected spam, or you can mark it afterwards and block. I still receive one call every other week, pick up and keep quiet, waiting for the caller to speak. Most times they hang in a few seconds. They have a finite number of numbers, so in a handful of years, frequency came from a couple a day. Yesterday I received a call from Bari, my patron sai…

The problem is the false positives. I missed an important call from the doctor because it was incorrectly blocked as spam. So I don't use that feature anymore.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Renaud »

ransom1538 wrote: post #654
moffkalast wrote: post #553

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> Italy has great engineers Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though. > this is obviously a dumb move It's also a dumb move by OpenAI to pretend they can get away with not processing data in the EU like any other service has to. Just spin up a few instances, what's the big deal? It's just complete arrogance on their part. GDPR i…

"GDPR is not an optional suggestion." No it's some dumb fad. If you are not in Europe just disregard it. You don't have to respect Republic of Peru laws either.

Actually, you have to if you take money from Peruvians and are basically doing business there.

Whether you can be reached and punished by a Peruvian court is another issue.

Similarly, if your business serves any EU country, you have to respect its laws, and that includes GDPR, whether you like it or not.

OpenAI's choice is then to close access to the EU, see its access forcibly shutdown, or comply with local laws.

Since the EU is probably a very significant market for them (probably on par with the US), playing dumb is fairly dangerous.

On the other hand, the sudden disappearance of ChatGPT in Europe may be what allows a locally grown one to succeed commercially (I doubt OpenAI will remain the only AI service provider forever).

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