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Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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The list of Ubuntu "sins" is very long, and goes all the way to their founding - effectively forking the Debian ecosystem. As for being "dev friendly", it really depends on what you mean by that; their insistence on building their own things and discounting third-party input, over and over, was anything but friendly.

[Article author and submitter here] > effectively forking the Debian ecosystem The company and project were founded by a Debian user and developer, who employed and still employs a number of Debian developers, to make a version of Debian for ordinary people. How is that a bad thing? Ubuntu changes feed back into Debian. Debian now has the `apt` command instead of `aptitude`. It has the Ubuntu GUI tool for configuring…

2004 called, they want their flame back.

But seriously: Shuttleworth tried a classic EEE play on Debian, over and over and over. Obviously nerds mostly want to get along and will end up talking to each other, but it doesn't change the fact that, at the time, it was a (not-that-) thinly veiled, well-funded takeover attempt on the Debian ecosystem and community.

> Ubuntu changes feed back into Debian. Debian now has the `apt` command

It's nice that you bring up a classic case of unashamed namesquatting. People have been referring to "apt" in general terms since apt-get came on the scenes, 6 YEARS before Canonical was founded. But why give up the chance to piggyback on someone else's brand, eh...? So when the time came to churn on the umpteen apt-get frontend, they did just that.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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I think canonical has taken control from users to its own benefit. As one example, ubuntu-minimal is the minimal meta package, but it has a sneaky dependency on ubuntu-advantage-tools and ubuntu-advantage-tools is sort of the master phone-home system.

How do they take control away from you? Under the hood every Linux distro is just a collection of packages. You can install or remove whatever you want. unlike Windows or macOS, you can replace or remove every single piece of the system.

maybe there are "dark implementations" just like there are "dark patterns"

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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[Article author and submitter here] > effectively forking the Debian ecosystem The company and project were founded by a Debian user and developer, who employed and still employs a number of Debian developers, to make a version of Debian for ordinary people. How is that a bad thing? Ubuntu changes feed back into Debian. Debian now has the `apt` command instead of `aptitude`. It has the Ubuntu GUI tool for configuring…

2004 called, they want their flame back. But seriously: Shuttleworth tried a classic EEE play on Debian, over and over and over. Obviously nerds mostly want to get along and will end up talking to each other, but it doesn't change the fact that, at the time, it was a (not-that-) thinly veiled, well-funded takeover attempt on the Debian ecosystem and community. > Ubuntu changes feed back into Debian. Debian now has th…

OK. It definitely looks like you are someone who won't be reasoned with on this.

APT as a set of tools is ancient. `apt` as a command isn't. It is handy, it's simpler and easier, it eliminates the nonsensical split between apt-get and apt-cache and aptitude and so on... and you can tell, because Debian adopted it.

I like it. I use it all the time. The upstream project adopted it, but to you, that's bad, because it falsifies your angry claim.

Yeah, no. End of thread.

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