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CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by 0xDEF »

schiffern wrote: post #105
cwkoss wrote: post #88

I'm really worried about the effects on the food supply chain. The plume of chemical vapors covered a significant proportion this country's breadbasket. Corn, wheat and soybean fields got sprinkled with carcinogens, they will be harvested, turned into flours and processed derivatives, and could end up in practically any processed food on grocery store shelves. Does anyone have a reassuring reason why I shouldn't be w…

> The plume of chemical vapors covered a significant proportion this country's breadbasket. Does anybody have a scientific (not clickbait) citation for this? The quick HYSPLIT plume simulation I ran[0] showed the plume crossing over New England on its way to the Atlantic. There is agriculture there, but I would hardly describe it as the nation's bread basket. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of contamination of the…

>Does anybody have a scientific (not clickbait) citation for this?

The lack of this in the coverage of the East Palestine train derailment is interesting.

So many of the claims goes back to TikTok videos and reddit comments.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by dns_snek »

Clubber wrote: post #104
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the last solely environmental catastrophe a president has visited? People died in Katrina. There were no immediate deaths from this environmental catastrophe.

Obama visited Flynt. Even drank the water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZynkD3N_k

It would be more accurate to describe that as "He even let the water touch his lips while pretending to drink it".

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by mcsniff »

cwkoss wrote: post #88

I'm really worried about the effects on the food supply chain. The plume of chemical vapors covered a significant proportion this country's breadbasket. Corn, wheat and soybean fields got sprinkled with carcinogens, they will be harvested, turned into flours and processed derivatives, and could end up in practically any processed food on grocery store shelves. Does anyone have a reassuring reason why I shouldn't be w…

I'll just say this, I don't think worrying about the safety of your food supply (or any other goods) is overly paranoid -- environmental disaster or not.

I would urge you to consider the motives and reasons of those who would disagree with, or try and stop you from doing so.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by cwkoss »

schiffern wrote: post #105
cwkoss wrote: post #88

I'm really worried about the effects on the food supply chain. The plume of chemical vapors covered a significant proportion this country's breadbasket. Corn, wheat and soybean fields got sprinkled with carcinogens, they will be harvested, turned into flours and processed derivatives, and could end up in practically any processed food on grocery store shelves. Does anyone have a reassuring reason why I shouldn't be w…

> The plume of chemical vapors covered a significant proportion this country's breadbasket. Does anybody have a scientific (not clickbait) citation for this? The quick HYSPLIT plume simulation I ran[0] showed the plume crossing over New England on its way to the Atlantic. There is agriculture there, but I would hardly describe it as the nation's bread basket. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of contamination of the…

Here's a hysplit for the date of the disaster

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/113wyj3/hy...

Looks like the plume didn't blow west much, which probably mitigates agricultural impact significantly, good point!

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

hristov wrote: post #15

"Because the investigators' symptoms improved soon after they left the area, the incident was not reported to the public" .... This is a rather Orwellian statement. Don't worry everyone, the CDC workers symptoms improved as soon as they got the hell out of East Palestine, therefore East Palestine must be completely healthy.

The CDC's handling of COVID was also just a complete and utter joke.

Frankly, one big reason why COVID was so bad in the US was because of how terribly the CDC fucked up testing.

They banned every test that wasn't their flawed one.

NPR did a good article on how massive the fuck up was - https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official...

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by revelio »

shadowgovt wrote: post #113
hedora wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immediately before this accident, the rail workers were striking over inadequate safety rules. Multiple trains derailed in East Palistine. Netflix even filmed a documentary about it there. Knowing all that, both parties sided with the railways and voted to force the rail workers back to work. Post accident, audio recordings of a railway supervisor ordering safety inspectors to ignore safety issues were released. Pois…

... except CDC scientists have a reputation independent of the political machine. They have more to lose being branded liars than to gain toeing party lines.

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Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by revelio »

shadowgovt wrote: post #114
renewiltord wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they did it so that it would be easier to remove medical and CDC personnel from the area. After all, protecting these people was the justification the public health administration used to say "masks don't work". You have to be a total sucker to believe they're optimizing for your subpopulation. They're the #1 Greater Good Team. If admitting they got sick would reduce faith in the government and that would be ba…

The CDC didn't say masks don't work. They did say cloth masks weren't as effective as N95s.

Oh how quickly we forget.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-27/timeline-cd...

March 24, 2020

Even as the coronavirus spreads across the United States — shutting down businesses, sporting events and schools — the CDC’s advice around masking remains unequivocal: Healthy people who do not work in the healthcare sector and are not taking care of an infected person at home do not need to wear masks.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by phendrenad2 »

hristov wrote: post #15

"Because the investigators' symptoms improved soon after they left the area, the incident was not reported to the public" .... This is a rather Orwellian statement. Don't worry everyone, the CDC workers symptoms improved as soon as they got the hell out of East Palestine, therefore East Palestine must be completely healthy.

"Symptoms resolved for most team members later the same afternoon, and everyone resumed work on survey data collection within 24 hours" (Note the "everyone resumed work on survey data collection" part)

I take that to mean the opposite of the quote you gave. So it's unclear which is true.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by mandmandam »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #125
hristov wrote: post #15

"Because the investigators' symptoms improved soon after they left the area, the incident was not reported to the public" .... This is a rather Orwellian statement. Don't worry everyone, the CDC workers symptoms improved as soon as they got the hell out of East Palestine, therefore East Palestine must be completely healthy.

The CDC's handling of COVID was also just a complete and utter joke. Frankly, one big reason why COVID was so bad in the US was because of how terribly the CDC fucked up testing. They banned every test that wasn't their flawed one. NPR did a good article on how massive the fuck up was - https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678/cdc-report-official...

It's wild that you're being downvoted for true facts, sourced by NPR.

The CDC also knowingly advised against masks, for months, claiming that they wouldn't help and could even hurt despite knowing better.

And that wasn't the only time they kept quiet with information that would have benefited Americans - this well sourced article points out a few of the more egregious incidents. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/31/cdcr-j31.html

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