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There’s always the aftermarket. If CarPlay stops being a standard option, that is the first thing I will do with a new car: replace the AV
As cars move away from traditional DIN stuff and more towards multiple screens with no physical “radio” on the dash in the classic sense… is that still an option?
Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These veh…
And of course there is zero chance GM's software will be even 1/10 as easy to use as Apple's because no car manufacturer (except maybe Tesla) understands UI software or even acknowledges that it's important. I already pay "subscriptions" for my car in the form of loan payments, insurance, and maintenance. I'm damn well not going to pay Mary Barra a monthly fee to use her crappy music service or enable my seat heaters…
in either case, it'll have a 15hz frame rate and 800ms of lag between input and response. i expect nothing better.
meanwhile, if we had a full-on apple car, it would probably have a 120hz truemotion display, well-calibrated spatial audio, and a fully-utilized M2 Max chip
i was bearish on the idea of an apple car years ago, but now with tesla withering, i'm practically begging for it
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I don’t understand why this can’t be an OTA update? Maybe with slightly less functionality but why can’t it just Bluetooth CarPlay?
As others have said, it uses WiFi (set up via Bluetooth). Bluetooth doesn't support the data rates necessary to deliver the data for CarPlay. As for the "maybe with slightly less functionality" would you take no display? You're basically talking about Siri Eyes Free where you'd have a button to activate Siri on your steering wheel, but wouldn't get much functionality. But I'm guessing you want the navigation to be di…
This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.
I want the infotainment system to be a dumb terminal for my phone, not yet another soon-to-be obsolete Android device chock full of spyware.
Android auto isn't great but it's definitely going to be better than whatever a car company is going to give me.
This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.
“We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.”
Some auto leases are about that much!
Regardless of whether you prefer Apple or Google, the benefit of phone projection is that you can get a good experience with relatively low specs from the head unit because the heavy lifting is done by the phone which can be upgraded independently of the car. Even powered by Google, the infotainment system is going to age like milk since you’ll be locked into hardware that will be midrange at best, several years old…
I actually got rid of a chevy truck for this precise reason. GMs design choices in their god-awful infotainment system was so annoying I couldn't stand using it. I got rid of that thing within a year and traded it for a F150, which had a significantly better UI and support for apple carplay (even though it required it to be plugged in). Its like nobody ever used their vehicles before they shipped it. Some of my favor…
Car play support was decent about 80% of the time. The other 20%, I had to delete the phone pairing and repair to get it to reconnect.
I wasn't particularly impressed, especially given that this car has been in production since 2017, so I'd expect the radio software, etc. to be stable.
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Yes, removing CarPlay is not a great move, and is rightfully being bashed in this thread -- but these kinds of OEM integrations are far beyond a smartphone subsitute, especially given what's coming down the pipe for auto. As you allude to in your comment already, CarPlay is a "projection", a one-way deal -- whereas most of these integrations make heavy use of data from car sensors, which enables a lot of high fidelit…
And I don't need that level of integration. The passive CarPlay UI projection is exactly what I want. It's not all about driving to charging stations. That is a rare occurrence.
You tap add waypoint (or whatever) in Apple Maps, then tap EV charging station, or tap siri, and say "DC fast charger" or whatever. (Tested with a Chevy Bolt).
However the navigation isn't as well integrated with range, etc, as was common on older vehicles.
If this wasn't a blatant "have Google pay us to force our customers to give Google their data" move, I'd be cautiously optimistic that they weren't just trying to shovel crapware into their cars.
Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…
> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…
- Apple Music, but now Google can spy on my music tastes? No thanks!
- Data subscription for my car? Why would I possibly want to pay for that?
- Google Maps: Again, Apple users have opted out of this ecosystem. Apple Maps is fine. Other options are also fine. Google Maps is my 4th or 5th choice. The whole point of this integration (per GM) is to force users onto Google Maps, and off competitive map services.
- It's like having a PC and an iPhone, or a Mac and and Android. Either way, all the cross device synchronization stuff breaks badly. Concretely: will my android maps car use siri in a privacy preserving way to check my CalDav calendar to see that I have a meeting across town, then offer to start navigation with a single tap? I think not.
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What happens if you disconnect the antenna? I recognize that they could be made integral to some other components, but at least in phones where I've removed radios and cameras, that has never been the case. Do the cars have some sort of spite-brick functionality built in if the cars can't phone home? This is purely curiosity; I doubt that I would ever buy a GM car.
Currently there's a dedicated fuse for the OnStar system. You can pull that and the consumer facing OnStar functionality stops working (remote monitoring, etc). I assume it's really actually fully disabled by the fuse, but I can't guarantee it.