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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Its only really the models and years where they didn't have immobilizers. He's looking at an EV, it doesn't even have a cut key for starting the car.

One of the reasons I've taken Hyundai/Kia off my list is because I don't trust thieves to be aware of which models are easy to steal and which aren't. Even if they can't steal it, they can still fuck it up by trying.

Product idea for Hyundai/Kia: always-glowing high visibility start button

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Might be worth swapping out the head unit. Best Buy will sell you a Sony unit with installation for $250 for example.

I've thought about that. I'd want one that supports the backup camera and all that. Do you know offhand if those exist at reasonable prices?

The last time I replaced a unit was in 2012, but I think what you would be looking for is a head unit that accepts camera input , a wiring harness for the head unit to the car's wiring, a reverse camera adapter if the car doesn't use the standard yellow RCA-esque connector (apparently toyota uses several different connectors), and a interface adapter if you want to retain the use of the steering wheel controls which in total would probably be Looking around a bit, apparently there's also a neat though slightly more expensive product called the datalink maestro rr or rr2 that does the camera and head unit interfacing part while retaining additional features.

https://youtu.be/AkWzSXFJYTo

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

But it actually has. Lack of CarPlay support was a major reason I didn't seriously consider a Tesla for my last purchase (long before they became electric MAGA hats), and I know other people who have the same issue. Are we statistically significant? Not enough data. Maybe not. But there's definitely some money that Tesla's leaving on the table. Volvo/Polestar has a rather nice, well-integrated implementation of CarPl…

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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It’s a cost to GM because they can’t nickel and dime their customers with subscription fees if customers can use the phone service they already have.

Weird how the inability to gouge is now seen as a "cost".

We've been struggling with this one for a while on the "open source app store" side of the conversation.

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It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Not having Android Auto or CarPlay is the thing I dislike most about Tesla. I doubt they would be more popular if they had these features, but I also doubt GM will suddenly find they have the software capabilities of Tesla.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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This really seems like the opposite direction auto manufacturers should be taking. Lean in hard to a common API design for displays and negotiate with Apple/Google on theming (like Apple Watch where some companies get custom watch faces), but leave the UX to Google/Apple I was uninterested in CarPlay until my last car had it. Now it’s a requirement for any car purchase. Similarly I was uninterested in wireless CarPla…

> This really seems like the opposite direction auto manufacturers should be taking. For sure. GM is operating based on fear here — just as carriers were terrified of being "dumb pipes", vehicle makers are terrified of being "dumb boxes". Somehow GM is under the delusion that Google is their friend, and that alienating Apple users won't impact vehicle buying decisions. GM will learn the hard way that both are incorre…

Maybe we ought to respect user choice more than the greedy desires of our hardware vendors. Just a thought?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

Exactly. I’ve long joked that buying a Buick in the modern era is a sign of severe brain trauma. Even the economic argument doesn’t make sense when you consider the reliability.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These veh…

GM’s CEO is delusional. With dealer lots full of new vehicle inventory, she is choosing to lay off employees and shut down production instead of make reasonable price cuts. And to double down on that delusion, she said that GM was “…poised to capture any upside in the market in 2023.”

I think GMs backs are against the wall here. GMs margins are already so thin on most of that inventory (aside from top trims of trucks) that they’d be basically paying customers to take the cars off the lot. On top of that they lose a bunch of money on warranty claims and have no sustainable subscription models currently. GMs strategy is basically to cut off their nose to spite their face.

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This is a good point, but pretty much all rental companies have GM vehicles, and renters get stuck with whatever is available. I doubt renters will change their behaviors because they won't be able to effectively avoid GM vehicles. So as a result, rental companies won't change their behavior either. It will just suck for renters a bit more than before.

Maybe, maybe not. I would pay $10 more per day for a car with CarPlay. And I would pick Enterprise over Avis if it came down to availability of CarPlay.

But is there any chance that one rental company would actually be able to guarantee CarPlay availability (meaning no GM vehicles)? Seems unlikely to me.

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Maybe, maybe not. I would pay $10 more per day for a car with CarPlay. And I would pick Enterprise over Avis if it came down to availability of CarPlay.

But is there any chance that one rental company would actually be able to guarantee CarPlay availability (meaning no GM vehicles)? Seems unlikely to me.

I don’t see why not. They buy plenty of non GM cars to rent.
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