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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Is the Android Auto interface part of Android open source? If it is, what stops Apple from making CarPlay compatible with Android Auto protocols?

GM is killing Both carplay and AA, everyone is confused all over the place and reporting is awful. The new system runs off "Google Automotive Services" (AKA: GAS - Native Google Android on the car's computer hardware) complete with the Play Store. Apple could always build iMessage and Apple Maps for GAS.

That actually makes a lot more sense. Unfortunate that it's going that way though. Thanks for the info.

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Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…

> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

> It works exactly like having a Mac/PC and a phone

Have you seen the shitshow which modern TVs are with their smart apps that stop functioning over time? A car is supposed to function for longer than 2 years and who is gonna force the manufacturer to support updates longer than that?

With CarPlay I am able to bring a functioning Nav, Music and everything.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Does carplay hijack the phone pretty aggressively? I've tried the Android one a few times, but it prevents manipulation of the phone while you're riding and the phone has to ask of the head unit (and be rejected) permission to disable Bluetooth to restore the phone. Then you have to ask the driver to get, unlock, and relinquish his phone for you to accomplish the task. It's possible I was the victim of bad default se…

It used to, but a few years ago (2019 I think?) they changed so that it's a properly separate display. The only thing you can't do is separately play audio from the phone (because the CarPlay unit is basically serving as its output while it's connected), or use your maps app to do something different while the navigation is running on the CarPlay unit (because CarPlay is just a view into the phone's apps, and so they…

CarPlay is awesome, but I found the lack of being able to use maps very restricting. If you’re driving with someone who is co-piloting then them being able to use your phone to scout ahead for stops, restaurants etc is really useful.

We ended up using Google Maps for this while navigating with Apple Maps.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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> the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving This isn’t how it works in my Dodge. There is a Dodge logo / startup screen first, then a “don’t use screen while driving sign that I am forced to accept every time ” and then it shows me CarPlay.

Same in my BMW. The last thing I see is also a BMW logo across all my dash screens.

Same on my Audi, Volkswagen, and Fords here to. I'm not sure I understand this fear at all. I know carplay and the car are different systems.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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If it's fully integrated android automotive, and it just works, for free - that's fine with me, even tho I'm an iPhone user. As long as I get my apps - I don't care. But I'm 100% sure it won't be like that. I'm also 100% sure, the reason they plan to do it, is to force people into OnStar subscription for data. I'm not paying $35+ per month when I have phone in my pocket.

They are offering 8 years free data.

Source? Article doesn't mention that.

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#256

I largely ignored CarPlay since it came out since my car didn't support it and I didn't feel like I was missing much vs my mounted phone but recently I borrowed a car for a few days that had CarPlay and I really enjoyed it. So much better than anything from any car manufacturer and the integration was flawless. In fact, my biggest issue was figuring out how to get back into the CarPlay UI from the car default UI when…

Does carplay hijack the phone pretty aggressively? I've tried the Android one a few times, but it prevents manipulation of the phone while you're riding and the phone has to ask of the head unit (and be rejected) permission to disable Bluetooth to restore the phone. Then you have to ask the driver to get, unlock, and relinquish his phone for you to accomplish the task. It's possible I was the victim of bad default se…

It used to work as more of a screen mirror (e.g. if the passenger changes apps on the phone the CarPlay screen would change as well) but they updated it a few years ago and now they are totally independent, except there’s only one “version” of each app so if you change the navigation destination on the phone it’ll change on the CarPlay screen.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Well CarPlay (and Android Auto) do cut off revenue. I’ll never buy the satellite radio plan for my car to stream music. Why would I? My phone already provides a cell connection. I’ll never buy the car cell plan to stream Spotify. Why would I? My phone does that already. I never bought the $200+ per year map updates for my last car. Why would I? I had Apple Maps on CarPlay and it updates for free. In many ways this se…

Well CarPlay (and Android Auto) do cut off revenue. Sure, but that revenue stream only exists in a situation where the auto manufacturer has monopoly power (over that particular service). Prior to cell phones, they had that power over navigation and could charge a fee for updated maps (annually via DVD initially). Attempting to subvert the market and create a monopoly here is anti-consumer, anti-competitive, and very…

I agree completely. They’re obviously desperate if they’re trying to turn the clock back 15 years.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to, but a few years ago (2019 I think?) they changed so that it's a properly separate display. The only thing you can't do is separately play audio from the phone (because the CarPlay unit is basically serving as its output while it's connected), or use your maps app to do something different while the navigation is running on the CarPlay unit (because CarPlay is just a view into the phone's apps, and so they…

CarPlay is awesome, but I found the lack of being able to use maps very restricting. If you’re driving with someone who is co-piloting then them being able to use your phone to scout ahead for stops, restaurants etc is really useful. We ended up using Google Maps for this while navigating with Apple Maps.

Yeah or they can just use their own phone

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

#259
Back in 2017, I bought a new stereo for my project car. I made sure that it supported Android Open Accessory, so that I'd be able to stream high quality audio over USB. By the time I installed it, it didn't work. Why? Because Google deprecated AOA in Android 8.0, in August 2017. AOA support was removed and USB Audio UAC1 & UAC2 were added.

This left existing owners of car stereos produced from 2011 (when AOA was introduced with Android 3.1) on.

This also created a problem in that no car stereo manufacturer seems to have implemented UAC1 or UAC2 support, likely because it treats the stereo as a 'dumb' DAC, so you can't control playback using buttons on the stereo.

So, why did they remove AOA? My only guess is that it was done in order to push Android Auto. I believe that Google will just screw over existing users at the drop of a hat if a brand manager decides it might increase some market share metric.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

#260

Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…

> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

    It works exactly like having a Mac/PC and a phone. 
Right. It's now two devices to manage (car and phone) instead of a single one (just your phone, which treats the car like a second monitor)

Now I'd have to manage credentials on two different devices. Change my Spotify password? Two places to update it. Etc. And now I've got credentials stored in my car? That's a security situation to worry about in case of breakin/theft.

It also totally kills the use case of letting multiple passengers simply plug their phones into the car's head unit. Might have my phone, my wife's phone, or the passengers' phones plugged into the head unit depending on who's doing the navigating and who's doing the DJ'ing. Now thanks to GM instead of simply swapping the cable, I guess we can take turns signing in and out of a bunch of different apps? lol, nooooooo thanks.

I thought auto makers were finally wising up about a couple of things. One, it looks like they're finally slowly coming back around to physical controls where it makes sense.

Two, I thought they were giving up on the idea of their own bespoke entertainment solutions in favor of giving people what they actually want, which is Airplay/Android Auto. People don't want another device to manage. They just want to plug their freaking phone in.

Normally I wouldn't be irritated; I'd be happy to let the market vote. But cars are complicated beasts these days and there's an awful lot of functionality to demo and digest when shopping. There are a lot of auto features that aren't obviously terrible or obviously amazing; they only reveal themselves as such after you've lived with them for a little while.

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