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Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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I have sympathy with the premise but unfortunately quotes like this completely undermine the reliability of the analysis: World-class public transport, never needed a car in London The idea that UK public transport is world class is absurd. The author is doing extreme cherry picking by referring to the entirely unrepresentative London transport infrastructure and service. Try living in a rural area or many urban area…

Do you live in UK or US? I used to live in the country too - and was able to take regular trains in less than an hour from my house to London.

Compare here, we have a Caltrain that only runs once an hour during the day, is slow, and to get to city requires switching to the Bart, which is also slow, and so filthy too, its much easier just to drive into the city, avoiding the potholes, and hoping your car doesn't get broken into when you park late downtown...

UK has it way better without any cherry picking :)

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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California may be high tax for high income people, but for most middle and low income folks, it is actually pretty cheap. CA's top marginal income tax rate is actually a temporary provision which may or may not be extended when it expires, depending on who the voters elect. > driving away the 1% of households that pay 50% of the taxes in California, worsening the situation for everyone. One big problem is that over t…

Thanks for the comment. I wasn't aware of that point on the high top marginal tax rate, I can only comment that it's been in place for a long time (since I moved here) and I don't get any sense personally that it will be expired when California is constantly looking for ways to increase taxes. Re. healthcare, from past people I've hired and let go and friends who've been unemployed, perhaps as they're all in tech wit…

The title of the piece is California versus UK, but lots of the complaints seem to be US versus UK.

Cobra is federal and was always a hack. We Americans need a complete healthcare rewrite, but there isn’t enough political will to get it done and we couldn’t even agree on what/how to change.

Cobra shifts all of the cost to the newly-unemployed employee, whereas previously the employer and employee shared the insurance premium cost and the employer side was tax deductible. It’s only more expensive than while employed because the person can’t deduct it from taxes, while the company could.

The parent of your comment mentioned Obamacare plans. Those plans (and Medicaid) require that you change your insurance policy, so depending on availability you may be able to keep your primary healthcare provider. The out-of-pocket costs vary depending on what you qualify for, but the change in employment allows you to move to a higher deductible plan (cheaper if you conserve your healthcare visits).

All US safety net programs assume the end user is a liar and/or thief so it is your responsibility to prove your need. The UK (and Germany and Japan) got to redesign their social contract in the rubble of WW2; the US didn’t. And WW2 was the reason we ended up with so much employer-sponsored healthcare —- which means being unemployed comes with losing healthcare. We would have far better job creation if employees were more willing to leave companies quickly rather than searching for the next job first or calculating how much Cobra runway they can afford.

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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> Lastly, we won’t allow ourselves to be audited without our knowledge by the IRS by using a cloud-based personal finance app that could be subpoenaed behind our backs if they continue pushing for new powers.

https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2020/08/... : under some circumstances HMRC can access your banking information without telling you.

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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As a Brit this article is laughable. People are literally dying in the UK because so called wonderful 'free' public healthcare doesn't have the ambulances to send to them. Tons of potholes everywhere too. Outside London and major cities, public transport is non-existent to very poor.

I know us Brits like to complain, but when I drove there last year the roads were all brand new and fantastic compared to what we have over here in California!

I did think to add some caveats about the NHS, my sister works there so I'm aware of all the issues there. However, I would rather choose that system, over the one here, which is extremely expensive, and doesn't even look after you if you lose your insurance for whatever reason.

I think overall, I would say the UK has a lot of challenges, and if I was still living there, I would actually feel ok to pay more taxes to support those services, because I'd be using them.

As opposed to here, where I pay almost the same rate of taxes, and feel like I get nothing in return!

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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California may be high tax for high income people, but for most middle and low income folks, it is actually pretty cheap. CA's top marginal income tax rate is actually a temporary provision which may or may not be extended when it expires, depending on who the voters elect. > driving away the 1% of households that pay 50% of the taxes in California, worsening the situation for everyone. One big problem is that over t…

> One big problem is that over the decades the economy has shifted more to services and less to sales of physical goods, so sales tax revenue has declined disproportionately.

This is also the reason why the rich won't leave places with unusually good services even if they're taxed hard for the privilege of living there. See London, NYC, etc. Taxes in those places could and should be higher. A little tangential perhaps, but we don't adequately measure the value amenities and services have for people, so we disadvantage ourselves in conversations about tax.

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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post #8

California may be high tax for high income people, but for most middle and low income folks, it is actually pretty cheap. CA's top marginal income tax rate is actually a temporary provision which may or may not be extended when it expires, depending on who the voters elect. > driving away the 1% of households that pay 50% of the taxes in California, worsening the situation for everyone. One big problem is that over t…

Thanks for the comment. I wasn't aware of that point on the high top marginal tax rate, I can only comment that it's been in place for a long time (since I moved here) and I don't get any sense personally that it will be expired when California is constantly looking for ways to increase taxes. Re. healthcare, from past people I've hired and let go and friends who've been unemployed, perhaps as they're all in tech wit…

re: CA marginal tax rates, IIUC they're "temporary" but in place through 2030 at least, and have already been extended once.

I am a bleeding heart liberal which doesn't come through in the below, but think this is one example of 'nothing as permanent as a temporary government measure'

Before 2012 the top CA tax bracket was the 9.3% one. CA was still one of the most progressive states (tax burden for mid-income folks and retirees is not bad, though cost of living is high), which means the state revenue is sensitive to the income of high-income Californians. Some of those incomes weren't doing so well in 2009-2011 with the GFC impact on tech, finance, maybe entertainment, execs living in the state, everyone's stock portfolios, etc.

Oh no, the schools are going to lose funding and the children won't be able to learn! Proposition 30 was proposed and raised sales tax for 4 years, and income tax for 7, via the creation of the 10.3-12.3 brackets; a 1M 1% surtax already existed. This was retroactive, raising taxes for the whole calendar year where it was on the November ballot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_California_Proposition_30

Jerry Brown campaigned for it and stressed this was a temporary measure to get through these times, and it passed.

Four years later, in 2016... Did you know that if you don't act NOW then in a couple years there is going to be a big TAX CUT exclusively for rich Californians? Don't let this grave injustice happen, we need to fund schools so the children can learn! (and this time some other stuff like Medi-Cal and pay down the debt a bit).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_California_Proposition_55

I believe this makes them effective through 2030.

Next year, CA will lift the cap on the 1.1% CA employee payroll tax. I haven't followed this too close but think that means that californians making over $1M will be paying a 14.4% state marginal tax rate. Not that there's much sympathy for that group.

In 2025, the individual Tax Cuts and Jobs Act brackets will expire, with the top bracket going back up to 39.6%. Though I think Californians will be able to deduct their state taxes on the federal side once again (would not be surprised for that cap to return though).

I'm not necessarily opposed to these tax rates. I just wish having marginal rates over 50% would get us some form of universal healthcare.

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the comment. I wasn't aware of that point on the high top marginal tax rate, I can only comment that it's been in place for a long time (since I moved here) and I don't get any sense personally that it will be expired when California is constantly looking for ways to increase taxes. Re. healthcare, from past people I've hired and let go and friends who've been unemployed, perhaps as they're all in tech wit…

The title of the piece is California versus UK, but lots of the complaints seem to be US versus UK. Cobra is federal and was always a hack. We Americans need a complete healthcare rewrite, but there isn’t enough political will to get it done and we couldn’t even agree on what/how to change. Cobra shifts all of the cost to the newly-unemployed employee, whereas previously the employer and employee shared the insurance…

Thanks, interesting point on WWII and the difference in outcomes

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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post #33

> Lastly, we won’t allow ourselves to be audited without our knowledge by the IRS by using a cloud-based personal finance app that could be subpoenaed behind our backs if they continue pushing for new powers. https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2020/08/... : under some circumstances HMRC can access your banking information without telling you.

Wow, didn't know that - but I guess it supports my point, that all Western governments are moving in the same direction!

Re: Tax Season: Why I loathe paying taxes since moving to CA from the UK

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post #31

I have sympathy with the premise but unfortunately quotes like this completely undermine the reliability of the analysis: World-class public transport, never needed a car in London The idea that UK public transport is world class is absurd. The author is doing extreme cherry picking by referring to the entirely unrepresentative London transport infrastructure and service. Try living in a rural area or many urban area…

Do you live in UK or US? I used to live in the country too - and was able to take regular trains in less than an hour from my house to London. Compare here, we have a Caltrain that only runs once an hour during the day, is slow, and to get to city requires switching to the Bart, which is also slow, and so filthy too, its much easier just to drive into the city, avoiding the potholes, and hoping your car doesn't get b…

You seem to be comparing UK to California. The parent seems to be comparing the UK to the best systems in the world.

Also worth pointing out that BART was originally planned to be a large loop around the entire South Bay, but the affluent suburbs in the lower peninsula rejected the plan to expand it to their neighborhoods.

Yay American NIMBYs! /s

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