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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

vel0city wrote: post #210
Baeocystin wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who is quite concerned that I'm going to have to sell my Kia because insurance companies are refusing to cover them because they're so easy to steal, just... be careful which model you pick.

Its only really the models and years where they didn't have immobilizers. He's looking at an EV, it doesn't even have a cut key for starting the car.

One of the reasons I've taken Hyundai/Kia off my list is because I don't trust thieves to be aware of which models are easy to steal and which aren't. Even if they can't steal it, they can still fuck it up by trying.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by alistairSH »

MBCook wrote: post #178
mint2 wrote: post #159

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GM is chasing the United airlines and Ryan air business model. United expects customers to be grateful if they get involuntarily rescheduled to arrive a day and a half after the original arrival time, with not so much as a free snack ticket to compensate e even when the flight delay is of their causing, not weather, that made the original connection impossible.

Well CarPlay (and Android Auto) do cut off revenue. I’ll never buy the satellite radio plan for my car to stream music. Why would I? My phone already provides a cell connection. I’ll never buy the car cell plan to stream Spotify. Why would I? My phone does that already. I never bought the $200+ per year map updates for my last car. Why would I? I had Apple Maps on CarPlay and it updates for free. In many ways this se…

Well CarPlay (and Android Auto) do cut off revenue.

Sure, but that revenue stream only exists in a situation where the auto manufacturer has monopoly power (over that particular service).

Prior to cell phones, they had that power over navigation and could charge a fee for updated maps (annually via DVD initially).

Attempting to subvert the market and create a monopoly here is anti-consumer, anti-competitive, and very likely a short-sighted decision that GM will regret in 5 years.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by rdl »

taylodl wrote: post #230
DeRock wrote: post #98

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It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

I'm honestly surprised anybody is still buying GM cars/trucks. If you want a truck, get a Ford. They're hands-down the best in class. Or get a Toyota or Honda if you roll that way. If you want an SUV, well, everybody is making those and GM doesn't have any standout offerings. If you want a luxury car then there are much better options that are not only more luxurious, but more reliable, and oftentimes cheaper. If you…

They are still pretty solid for vehicles like the Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon for specific uses (fleets, large family, tow vehicles) and the Sierra isn’t quite as nice as the F-150 but isn’t bad.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by agloe_dreams »

jedberg wrote: post #15

Is the Android Auto interface part of Android open source? If it is, what stops Apple from making CarPlay compatible with Android Auto protocols?

GM is killing Both carplay and AA, everyone is confused all over the place and reporting is awful.

The new system runs off "Google Automotive Services" (AKA: GAS - Native Google Android on the car's computer hardware) complete with the Play Store. Apple could always build iMessage and Apple Maps for GAS.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by agloe_dreams »

justapassenger wrote: post #117

If it's fully integrated android automotive, and it just works, for free - that's fine with me, even tho I'm an iPhone user. As long as I get my apps - I don't care. But I'm 100% sure it won't be like that. I'm also 100% sure, the reason they plan to do it, is to force people into OnStar subscription for data. I'm not paying $35+ per month when I have phone in my pocket.

They are offering 8 years free data.

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Post by alistairSH »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #61
KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

If I needed a full-size truck, I'd consider a GM (alongside Toyota and Ford). Without CarPlay, I'll buy one of the other brands.

If I wanted a near-supercar, I'd consider a Corvette. Without CarPlay, I'll buy a Cayman S or something else instead. The Corvette might be measurably better in most performance metrics, but if I can't use the apps I'm accustomed to using, I won't buy it.

The rest of the GM line-up? Yeah, pretty uninspiring.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kemayo »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #183
joshstrange wrote: post #52

I largely ignored CarPlay since it came out since my car didn't support it and I didn't feel like I was missing much vs my mounted phone but recently I borrowed a car for a few days that had CarPlay and I really enjoyed it. So much better than anything from any car manufacturer and the integration was flawless. In fact, my biggest issue was figuring out how to get back into the CarPlay UI from the car default UI when…

Does carplay hijack the phone pretty aggressively? I've tried the Android one a few times, but it prevents manipulation of the phone while you're riding and the phone has to ask of the head unit (and be rejected) permission to disable Bluetooth to restore the phone. Then you have to ask the driver to get, unlock, and relinquish his phone for you to accomplish the task. It's possible I was the victim of bad default se…

It used to, but a few years ago (2019 I think?) they changed so that it's a properly separate display.

The only thing you can't do is separately play audio from the phone (because the CarPlay unit is basically serving as its output while it's connected), or use your maps app to do something different while the navigation is running on the CarPlay unit (because CarPlay is just a view into the phone's apps, and so they'll both be in navigation mode).

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by alistairSH »

spike021 wrote: post #135
Tagbert wrote: post #73

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It's done over an adhoc wifi network, not bluetooth.

As far as I understand it, it still uses Bluetooth to establish the connection, but the rest is done over Wifi (someone can feel free to correct me if not).

That's correct. Bluetooth for initial handshake type stuff, then ad-hoc wifi for pushing the video/data stream.
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