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Where have all the laid-off tech workers gone?

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The most shocking thing to me I’ve observed during my career is how many good technologists lack empathy. I hazard it’s because the same neurological structure that optimizes for what makes a good dev/technologist is also what makes empathy and social skills lacking, very broadly speaking. You can learn/fake it with enough time and practice (I’ve met those who do), it just doesn’t seem to be that common of a hack. ht…

A lot of people discover that they can get respect despite being an asshole if they're skilled enough. You see this pattern of behaviour in all disciplines, but in tech it seems that social skills are less important than elsewhere so those types are attracted to the field, and we've also cultivated a culture that glorifies people who are assholes but are also visionaries - Jobs/Musk/Zuckerberg etc.

Being a visionary is mostly tied to having a budget line item for paying a PR firm that specializes in that kind of work. If you would like to be a visionary there's a whole fleet of companies over on Post St who would be happy to take your money and get your name in blog posts on Fortune and Bloomberg's website.

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Can you give some examples of companies that are commonly called 'tech' companies that you don't brief develop any tech at all?

Stripe. They are a payment processor and work in Finance. What significant contributions to tech have they produced? I'm not being snarky, I'm just not familiar with any off the top of my head like I know React came from FB/Meta, Google & Amazon produce all sorts of cloud computing stuff, Apple produces lots of libraries/frameworks (most likely for their own hardware/ecosystem), Bootstrap came out of Twitter, etc.

U got be kidding me. I'm not from Stripe but fintech is insanely complex when you want to do the dirty work and untangle all kinds of legal and financial mess to provide services globally. They are not called aws for payment for no reason

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> We then used ChatGPT to clean up and categorize all 2-thousand and more roles into 9 main categories. Finally we did a quick manual comb-through to correct any discrepancy. Yet another example of how times are changing!

ah the GPT combover, the future is here

Hopefully ChatGPT didn't hallucinate during the combover.

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We actually tracked every laid off individual from Google to understand the story behind the layoffs. Here's the summary: - 747 out of the 2,762 laid-off Googlers have since updated their profiles to indicate a change of employment status in the last 4 months since November 2022. - Only 56.7% of these people joined a tech company. - 1/3 of these ex-Googlers joined startups. See the full blog post here: https://nubela…

> We actually tracked every laid off individual from Google to understand the story behind the layoffs.

This is an extremely inaccurate statement and really makes me question the validity of your research. And after I read it, there's so many problems that I think nothing conclusive can be drawn at all from it.

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Can you give some examples of companies that are commonly called 'tech' companies that you don't brief develop any tech at all?

Nearshoring companies that hires developers to be assigned to external clients, just acting as brokers.

Those are consulting companies, not tech companies.

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> and they knew very little about non-proprietary technologies that we used on a day-to-day. I had an eye opening experience several years ago. My group was partnering with a group at Google. Their developers were sharp, as one would expect. But were very lacking in what would otherwise be considered table stakes, the reason always wound back to they had a proprietary Google equivalent of X, so thus they weren't fami…

I'm running into this with increasing frequency, particularly people coming from Amazon. For example, they know nothing about something like Kafka because they've been using some Amazonified version of something similar instead. They of course we'll never be able to match what they used to make and it would be more risk than I want to take to have them use us as a stepping stone while they try to get back to that lev…

you sound like a kafka system implementor. why would you hire software devs to implement kafka instead of kafka system implementors?

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We might be unique, but here's no situation we're using Kafka where someone unfamiliar with it would be able to design and support production level systems to the standards we do after a couple hours. That would result in a time bomb for someone else to clean up later when all the stuff you weren't aware you didn't know becomes a problem. These skills are common, some would say table stakes, so it's not hard finding…

My initial reaction reading this is that you really screwed up somewhere with your infrastructure. A pretty large company needs a Kafka team, a smaller company needs their infrastructure team to have a decent understanding with maybe one person / consultant with deeper knowledge. Kafka for 99% of developers in the company should be "Can I use our internal library to read/write some topic".

My preferred size of company would not have the resources for a team dedicated to infrastructure. In companies this size, there would be multiple developers skilled enough with the tech to support it fully from installation, configuration, optimization, backup, DR, upgrades, troubleshooting, designing and implementing solutions, etc. Everything. I've worked at several companies of this size and much prefer the broader scope of responsibility and experience to what you get somewhere like you described.

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It's funny because for 10 years people were saying "get this big company on your resume and you can just walk into any job!" Clearly not the case anymore

I mean severance was basically a year's wage. I doubt any of them are in a rush to be re-hired.

Well we're now half a year in to the first rounds of layoffs. Time flies.

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> John Deere, an American tractor-maker, has been snapping up fired tech workers to help it make smarter farm machinery. Oh yay. Who wants to work for a company that is actively antagonistic against its own customer base?

Most FAANG tech workers have a lot experience with that already...

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I saw a quote (I think from HackerNews) talking about how during good times, there’s lots of startups getting money. In tough times, there’s lots of money going to a handful of good startups. Just work hard to find yourself a promising startup!

One word: Europe.

Little money to any startup.
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