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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

slowmotiony wrote: post #36
jprete wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR has extensive requirements that can't be met by ChatGPT because it's training on public data sources everywhere.

If they're in violation of EU privacy laws then how are they not fined for it or outright banned? I got a fine from the local court in Germany because I put a google maps widget on my company's "about us" page, the court gave me 30 days to remove it.

> how are they not fined for it or outright banned

Does OpenAI have a legal presence in Europe? If not, there isn't an enforcement channel. I suppose they could block EU IPs, but until enforcement is threatened they have better things to focus on.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by pell »

zvmaz wrote: post #105
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

Do you think that the stated motivation for banning chatGPT is just a veil?

It's BigVPN pulling the strings in the background. \s

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by tyfon »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #254
fofoz wrote: post #109

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I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

Report from Germany: Haven't received a spam call in years.

Report from Norway.

I used to get perhaps 3-4 calls a week from the same Indian sounding scammers (a man and a woman). They call from UK numbers. However, since I got the pixel, it has a setting to block spam calls, I have not gotten any :)

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jl6 »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #269
fofoz wrote: post #109

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I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

The UK has left the EU. They appear to not be abiding by EU privacy laws as a result.

Unlikely. UK GDPR is pretty much identical to EU GDPR.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Veen »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #269
fofoz wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

The UK has left the EU. They appear to not be abiding by EU privacy laws as a result.

The UK abides by UK privacy laws, which are in many ways similar to the EU versions.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio...

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by austinl »

fofoz wrote: post #109
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back.

It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either don't leave voicemail, or leave 1 second message that I can bulk delete every few months.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Helmut10001 »

tyfon wrote: post #423
Helmut10001 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Report from Germany: Haven't received a spam call in years.

Report from Norway. I used to get perhaps 3-4 calls a week from the same Indian sounding scammers (a man and a woman). They call from UK numbers. However, since I got the pixel, it has a setting to block spam calls, I have not gotten any :)

I also have a Pixel! Maybe that is the reason. Anyway.. I used to get many spam calls but the government put up heavy fines for advertisement via phone, since then these disappeared.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by swores »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #392
swores wrote: post #270

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> " This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. " Here's an example of that not being true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload Or a more recent example that's related to financial/fraud regulations rather than copyright law, look at the FTX / Sam Bankman-Fried situation. Being registered in th…

> Here's an example of that not being true: That's not an example at all. I'm talking specifics here. The GDPR is the first law of it's kind that just outright asserts jurisdiction anywhere, as long as the origin took some data from an EU citizen. That is absolutely unprecedented. I'm not aware of any remotely similar law in commerce or communications in any other country. Megaupload is about an international seizure…

I don't really see how to argue further since you seem to be intentionally missing the point and looking for minor pedantic nuances that don't actually change the situation. So I'll let you know that I still think you're entirely wrong, and agree to disagree.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by tablespoon »

hnuser847 wrote: post #390
SanderNL wrote: post #373

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The first car was slow too. The first computers were awful and nothing like today. There's countless examples like this. Lots of people are showing disturbing levels of lack of vision.

But now you're asking the government to regulate against a hypothetical damage that may never occur. The problem with "vision" is that we can all let our imaginations run wild about new technology is capable of. I remember having the exact same discussions on HN about autonomous vehicles over a decade ago. The consensus then was that autonomous vehicles would make truck and taxi drivers obsolete within 5 years, and t…

> But now you're asking the government to regulate against a hypothetical damage that may never occur.

That is entirely reasonable ask, especially when the harm could be large. It's a lot harder (and often impossible) to put a genie back in a bottle once it's out.

> I remember having the exact same discussions on HN about autonomous vehicles over a decade ago. The consensus then was that autonomous vehicles would make truck and taxi drivers obsolete within 5 years, and that this massive, sudden loss of jobs would cause a lot of social unrest.

So some internet commenters' schedule was wrong, but that doesn't mean the bigger point was wrong. Some people thought we'd die in a nuclear war in the 80s, and they'd still be prescient if it turns out we die in on in the 2030s.

Technologists tend to be pathologically optimistic about technology, and tend to hand wave away the problems it will cause. It's important to keep that attitude in check, because they sure as hell don't seem to have the wisdom to do it themselves.

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