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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by owenwil »

bb123 wrote: post #35
bdcravens wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.

The Model 3’s system is one of the few out there that can actually compete with/replace CarPlay.

It _is_ excellent, but it is annoyingly ignorant of integrating with phones. If you have an Android phone you can send and receive texts, but no other notifications come in and nothing else is projected there either. If you have an iPhone, it works _sometimes_ but I am rarely able to reply to messages using voice successfully. I wish it better extended into my phone, but it's largely because of Apple's rules, which I guess aren't Tesla's fault—but are a side-effect of not using carplay.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by hnbear »

dboreham wrote: post #30

Quite odd that we decide which $80,000 car to buy based on what remote display server protocol it supports.

If I'm spending If I'm spending $80,000 on a car it better be perfect in every way, and every little bit of it matters because I don't want to be disappointed in any part of it. I would hate getting into my $80,000 car every day and knowing that I wasn't getting what I wanted from it.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bluecalm »

Quick Google search tells me there are currently 65 million GM vehicles on the roads in US. Let's say that can add 25 million new ones till 2030 which sounds very optimistic for them. To have their forecast of the subscription revenue materialize they would need to charge 1000$ per car per year or about 80$/month.

That seems crazy to me. People might be coming to terms with subscription but 80$/month is an expensive one and you also need to convince them to pay that for a car - not excatly a natural market for it.

Aren't they way too optimistic on this one?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by flictonic »

nozzlegear wrote: post #69

> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM v…

Yeah, one of the major perks of the EUV is the wireless Carplay.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kayodelycaon »

gnicholas wrote: post #63
devinegan wrote: post #50

I haven’t seen anyone mention car rentals in this thread. It is a huge bonus to have an interface, maps, music, etc you know and trust. When renting a car in the last 5 years it is basically standard to have access to CarPlay, and it is the same system many of us use in our own cars. Will rental companies buy vehicles without it, and support this move too?

This is a good point, but pretty much all rental companies have GM vehicles, and renters get stuck with whatever is available. I doubt renters will change their behaviors because they won't be able to effectively avoid GM vehicles. So as a result, rental companies won't change their behavior either. It will just suck for renters a bit more than before.

I've seen a lot of Toyotas and Kias for rentals. Not a lot of American cars.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by sircastor »

I worked in Infotainment for an Automotive OEM for 7 years. There were two major concepts behind the resistance to CarPlay and Android Auto. The first was branding. Not being able to control the experience that the user, especially because it was so visible of a component in the cab.

The second was (and this is anecdotal, I was not directly involved in the conversations) the way that Apple and especially Google were behaving about data. Google wanted all of the data off the Infotainment system, and a bunch of the data from the car, and they were not willing to share any of that data back with us. They wanted it all for themselves.

Over the years, my company moved because it was a customer demand. My boss when I was hired said that a person would never buy a vehicle because of the infotainment system, but it might push them over the edge.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by jonahhorowitz »

GM is probably ignoring that these products exist too. I haven't bought one, but I've been tempted to put one in my 2008 Civic. I'm sure they'll be even better and cheaper in a couple years.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204267444756?hash=item2f8f49da14:g:...

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by hkatx »

I have an iphone and appreciate carplay in my car. Tesla doesn't support Apple Car play and is fairly popular.

Most buyers wouldn't notice right away at least during the test drive and the absence of carplay will be noticed later in their ownership experience. By then the loss of payment/friction in changing cars will keep them tied to their purchase.

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