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Launch HN: Inri (YC W23) – Wealthfront for Investing in India

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Hello everyone, I’m Nishad, cofounder at Inri (https://www.goinri.com/), an investment platform for Indian expats to diversify capital in India, without any taxation or repatriation hassles. Super excited to be launching on HN, the platform that I personally nerd on and has helped me discover some of my favorite products early.

My cofounder Hemant (@hemantgangolia) has been living in the US since 6 years and has tried multiple times to invest in India. He couldn't go ahead with the process because bank account opening was a challenge and the process after that wasn't clear. There is complexity around taxation, moving money back and a general lack of clarity on where to invest.

Even though there are currently over 30 million Indian expats globally, there are no digital, full-service solutions offered for them specifically. US solutions focus only on US investments and Indian solutions focus only on Indian customers—this makes the India US belt underserved. Indian banks with overseas branches offer these services, but investors don’t trust these banks because of conflict of interest. There are other small players in the market but they expect customers to do their own service, which is not what customers want, based on our learnings.

We found a lot of other Indian expats in the same situation as us - wanting to invest in India for financial and emotional reasons, but unable to do so easily or consistently. We wished a simple product existed to solve for this online. We couldn’t find one, so we built it.

Inri is like Wealthfront for your India investments. It is a web platform that offers curated mutual fund portfolios and solves for all tax compliance and repatriation needs online. We have curated the funds based on performance, history and compliance based on your resident country, and funds are selected based on your risk preference, similarly to Wealthfront. We facilitate investments through central platforms like National Stock Exchange and show the holdings via a dashboard on the platform once the investments are done. Additionally, we do this while making tax compliance and repatriation easy.

Just log in to the platform, upload your documents, approve the emails with details confirmation and you’re sorted. Currently, only people with a PAN card (Indian financial identity document) can invest.

Our early customers are all people who have tried doing this before, but gave up because of all the hassle. The fact that they could get invested in just 2 days vs weeks for traditional alternatives was unheard of to them.

We know this is a bit of a niche product for HN but we also know that there are quite a few Indian expats like us here, who could make use of it—and we hope it makes interesting enough reading for everybody else. We would love to get your feedback! Thank you!

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I currently have some money in an Indian mutual fund through my Schwab brokerage, WAINX. What's the difference between Inri, and just investing in an Indian mutual fund? Schwab shows 4 different India-focused equity funds from Eaton Vance, ALPS/Kotak, Matthews, and Wasatch.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=india+etf

https://etfdb.com/etfs/country/india/

Now granted, as far as I know, no major brokerage supports dollar cost averaging into an ETF (needs to be a mutual fund that trades once at close so you never get to benefit from any intraday volatility)

which "moves the goalpost to" https://www.google.com/search?q=india+mutual+fund

in fidelity, i can set up automatic investing / dollar cost averaging (wealthfront's entire business model, right?) into any mutual fund they allow access to. curious the advantages from your product over this.

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post #2

I currently have some money in an Indian mutual fund through my Schwab brokerage, WAINX. What's the difference between Inri, and just investing in an Indian mutual fund? Schwab shows 4 different India-focused equity funds from Eaton Vance, ALPS/Kotak, Matthews, and Wasatch.

If you are based in the US and directly invest in mutual funds in India, keep in mind the US taxes it in extremely unfavorable terms via PFIC[0]. I browsed through their website and it appears their tax guidance is only for Indian taxation, which is fair but something to keep in mind. If you have to deal with US taxes, I would highly avoid holding mutual funds abroad, and just buy US-based India-focused funds.

[0] https://creativeplanning.com/international/insights/american...

Re: Launch HN: Inri (YC W23) – Wealthfront for Investing in India

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post #2

I currently have some money in an Indian mutual fund through my Schwab brokerage, WAINX. What's the difference between Inri, and just investing in an Indian mutual fund? Schwab shows 4 different India-focused equity funds from Eaton Vance, ALPS/Kotak, Matthews, and Wasatch.

The major difference here is that you invest directly through your NRE/NRO bank account in India.

1. WAINX is an actively managed fund, if you are just looking for tracking the Indian index (NIFTY), there's INDY here. Their tracking error (because of frequent currency transactions + cash requirements) cumulates to a large underperformance vs investing directly. In the last 5 years, there's a cumulative return of 14% for INDY vs 69% for NIFTY. Even accounting for currency depreciation and remittance charges, the $ adjusted return for NIFTY is at least 2x.

Even active funds like WAINX, EPGIX havent beaten investing directly over the long run. You can compare these with NIFTY growth % - USD/INR growth % - two-way currency transaction charges to confirm.

This is a fair option for anyone who cant access the Indian markets directly, but for Indians with PAN card, the efficiency of investing directly is much higher.

2. Depth of funds is still not as good as in the Indian market. India has 8000+ mutual funds listed, with specific allocations available to mid cap, small cap, thematic (tech vs pharma vs consumer vs infra), equity-debt hybrid etc.

3. We are starting with mutual funds but plan to offer all asset classes for investments including real estates.

Let me know if any of this is not clear

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https://www.google.com/search?q=india+etf https://etfdb.com/etfs/country/india/ Now granted, as far as I know, no major brokerage supports dollar cost averaging into an ETF (needs to be a mutual fund that trades once at close so you never get to benefit from any intraday volatility) which "moves the goalpost to" https://www.google.com/search?q=india+mutual+fund in fidelity, i can set up automatic investing / dollar c…

The major difference here is that you invest directly through your NRE/NRO bank account in India. This makes your investing more efficient, because you dont face the tracking errors and frequent currency transaction costs that funds abroad face. You can compare these with NIFTY growth % - USD/INR growth % - two-way currency transaction charges to confirm.

This is a fair option for anyone who cant access the Indian markets directly, but for Indians with PAN card, the efficiency of investing directly is much higher.

2. Breadth of funds is still not as good as in the Indian market. India has 8000+ mutual funds listed, with specific allocations available to mid cap, small cap, thematic (tech vs pharma vs consumer vs infra), equity-debt hybrid etc.

3. We are starting with mutual funds but plan to offer all asset classes for investments including real estates.

Also, DCA is just one part of Wealthfront, there are other advantages also, but that's a separate point.

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Question: how do the rules introduced( https://sbnri.com/blog/nri-income-tax/union-budget-2023-for-... ) in the Union Budget 2023 for taxing outward remittances (i.e. on moving money from India to US) affect you?

The outward remittance rules are a part of LRS (Liberalised Remittance Scheme) and applicable only for payments from Indian residents outside. Since repatriation in our case will be by NRIs themselves, through their NRE accounts, this doesn't affect us.

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Do you help US-based investors with PFIC taxation (see Steps 4 and 5 here)? (https://www.taxesforexpats.com/guides/passive-foreign-invest...).

This is a huge pain point for US persons investing in foreign mutual funds. This made me liquidate all my ETFs/mutual funds in India and move the money to individual stocks or property.

If you can make it easy for NRIs to invest in a basket of individual stocks, a NRI-friendly smallcase (https://www.smallcase.com/) if you will, that would be amazing.

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