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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nickthegreek » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

Back in 2017, I didnt buy a toyota for the first time because they didn't offer carplay. I refuse to be stuck with a subpar experience for the 10 years I normally keep a vehicle. Absolutely ridiculous to not support both CarPlay and Android Auto.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by BLO716 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

Way to cast aside the population most likely to buy your EV. I guess they aren't looking at their data.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by jmull » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

> This change, the report explains, will help GM “capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs.”

> “We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us,” Edward Kummer, GM’s chief digital officer, added. The company is targeting $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.

Yech

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bastardoperator » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

I love my yukon, but I'm not buying anything with google inside of it or anything without carplay. This seems like a miscalculation because GM sells some expensive vehicles, and people with lots of money in my limited experience have iphones.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by cjdoc29 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

bb123 wrote: post #35

bdcravens wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.

The Model 3’s system is one of the few out there that can actually compete with/replace CarPlay.

Agreed, but I have my gripes with the system. We waited a long time for Apple Music to come to the infotainment - and even then it's slow, you cannot adjust to a higher music quality, you can't download playlists to local storage, I need to login every month, etc.

Additionally, my 2019 Model 3's infotainment is noticeably slower than a 2023's. I'd hate to be limited by compute in a car that I'll probably replace in 8 years. If it's my phone, the replacement time is much shorter (and much more affordable!).

It would not stop me from buying another Tesla. The infotainment is generally fantastic (as is the rest of the car). But CarPlay would make the music and podcast experience so much better.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kennend3 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

yibg wrote: post #22

UberFly wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I wish there were bare-bare-bones options with a radio and ac/heat. I will use my phone otherwise.

Yea agree so much with this. I just want a car with physical knobs and buttons bluetooth to connect to my phone's audio. Have to buy ~10 year old cars to get this.

My 2023 Elantra has both google/apple support and physical knobs on both the console and steering wheel.

I can do most things without interacting with the touch screen at all.

Physical knobs and these systems def. do exist.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by juve1996 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

> Kummer also acknowledged that there are "subscription revenue opportunities." Don't be surprised if you're paying a recurring fee for certain features like you already do with some brands.

This is getting so tiresome. Not only have car prices exploded, now we have to pay for subscription features too.

I just don't know how much more of this we can take. Companies no longer innovate. They all just rent seek because there's no true competition anymore.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by makestuff » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

They probably see how well Tesla/Rivian sell and they do not have carplay. I guess you are limited to what you can do with a carplay/andriod auto implementation. However, I prefer carplay vs any other (including tesla's) implementation. I'm sure there is an aspect to increased complexity as well.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by BLO716 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:54 PM UTC

I think GM (and most car manufacturers) miss out on the partnerships with such players like Apple and Google entirely to extend their OS reach and ubiquity. The SYNERGY could be a billion dollar package add-on. What also puzzles me was why Tesla never bought Apple or vis versa. The UI/UX fast-track in such an endeavor would be mind boggling.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by devinegan » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:55 PM UTC

I haven’t seen anyone mention car rentals in this thread. It is a huge bonus to have an interface, maps, music, etc you know and trust. When renting a car in the last 5 years it is basically standard to have access to CarPlay, and it is the same system many of us use in our own cars. Will rental companies buy vehicles without it, and support this move too?