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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by iso1631 »

nforgerit wrote: post #288
ddren wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the issue with the GDPR? If OpenAI is violating the GDPR, why should European governments ignore it?

In the beginning of GDPR I remember me sitting in annoying meetings with lawyers who essentially became Product Owners and designers while I still thought the GDPR-Framework makes sense in itself and might help in practice. But boy was I wrong. The people criticizing GDPR were right: Tech giants were able to cope better with the regulations while smaller domestic companies were put under an additional burden of exces…

> And from what I perceive, there's now cookie banners everywhere while my personal data is still going into opaque silos.

Those cookie banners are either non-compliant with the regulations or meaningless. Why people add them is anyones guess.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Aromasin »

drumhead wrote: post #256
Aromasin wrote: post #244

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About once a week I consider dropping out of the tech industry and becoming a politician just so I don't have to sit and watch by the sidelines as incompetent, ignorant people, who studied humanities with not a drop a technical aptitude, bullshit their way through funding and regulating technology. They are never well informed enough to come up with any sort or coherent solution, because they're barely capable in act…

Show me a politician that is?

Canada's Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry; François-Philippe Champagne. Ex Vice-President and Senior Counsel of ABB Group, as well as Strategic Development Director, acting General Counsel, and Chief Ethics Officer and Member of the Group Management Committee of Amec Foster Wheeler.

Taiwan's Minister of Digital Affairs; Audrey Tang. Tang was a child prodigy, reading works of classical literature before the age of five, advanced mathematics before six, and programming before eight, and she began to learn Perl at age 12. On CPAN, Tang initiated over 100 Perl projects between June 2001 and July 2006, including the popular Perl Archive Toolkit (PAR), a cross-platform packaging and deployment tool for Perl 5.

South Korea's Minister of Science and ICT; Lee Jong-ho. Professor of electrical and computer engineering at Seoul National University. He was named Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) in 2016 for contributions to development and characterization of bulk multiple-gate field effect transistors.

Australian Minister for Industry and Science; Edham Husic. Husic worked as a research officer for the member for Chifley, Roger Price. Husic was first elected as a branch organiser in 1997. In 1998, he was elected as vice-president of the Communications Division of the CEPU. From 1999 to 2003, he worked for Integral Energy as a communications manager.

That's just from a quick search of some countries other than Europe/US/China. I tried Israel and Singapore too, but neither of those ministers had a "technical" background per-se.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by pb7 »

xdennis wrote: post #298
baxtr wrote: post #41

Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches. However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

> However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. Hear that Italians? If you don't surrender your data and your privacy to American companies you are medieval. According to some other comments, you are fascist too.

Well of course it’s to American companies, it’s not like Italy or the rest of Europe is going to innovate. That’s what happens when you haven’t created anything in decades of a technology boom but people want to feel like they’re living in 2023 not 1923.

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Post by tfourb »

mrighele wrote: post #306
tablespoon wrote: post #272

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> 'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' > So do (certain) books. Minors are typically given books that are appropriate to "their degree of development and self-awareness."

TV has plenty of material that is absolutely unsuitable "compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness." The only protection they have is that they those materials are usually (but not always) available in certain hours and there is a nice warning before that says that the content is not appropriate for them.

A TV can usually be controlled quite effectively by a parent (if they choose to do so). Access to the internet can not be controlled in the same way. Taking it away completely is often not desirable, fine tuning access is not feasible even for tech-literate parents. Hence a greater responsibility to confirm the age of the consumer should fall on the party making the content in question available.

This is basically the same reasoning why it is legal for parents to buy cigarettes and store them at home, but shop owners can be held liable if they do not check the age of people that they sell cigarettes to.

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Post by iso1631 »

sorokod wrote: post #155
SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

Do you see the qualitative difference between all of the following that can cause harm: * a box of matches * a handgun * an assault rifle * a 50 cal BMG * an ICBM with nuclear MIRV Saying that X has a property similar to the one Y has while ignoring the magnitude of the difference is silly.

Of those 5 things, only 1 has never been used as a weapon to kill someone.

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Post by throwaway59582 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #300
throwaway50601 wrote: post #289

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Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

Are you seriously confused why governments regulate what can be put in food and sold to the public? Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning Here's some more contemporary links: https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/add... https://food.ec.europa.eu/safety/food-improvement-agents/fla... Wh…

>Here's a classic for you, one of the early incidents which lead to this kind of regulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning

I don't see how said regulation would have helped in this case, the shop owner simply mistook fake sugar for arsenic, it's not like he decided to sell arsenic-flavored candies.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by pb7 »

baxtr wrote: post #41

Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches. However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

Food that largely wasn’t even invented or popularized there. Italy’s only heritage is a lie.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273586

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by tfourb »

SanderNL wrote: post #286
tablespoon wrote: post #279

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> That's right and then they go and find stuff that is not appropriate. But most kids don't manage to do that for some time. School libraries (typically) don't have porn in them, and internet access is often supervised or limited. The root of this thread quoted the article selectively. The full quote is: > It added OpenAI does not verify the age of users and exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared t…

Verifying by asking? .. I understand it's important, but I hate bureaucratic "solutions" that are technically correct but don't actually fix the issue.

There are standardized ways to check age based on national IDs and a company worth billions in venture capital like OpenAI can certainly afford to implement them. Alternatively they could just not publish a batshit crazy language model just because they see an opportunity to juice their valuation and spend a bit more time and money developing it so that it is reasonably safe to use for minors.
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