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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

amadvance wrote: post #150
Zurrrrr wrote: post #138

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> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

It's not extraterritorial. If an international company wants to sell goods or services in a country, it must abide by the country's laws.

Nope.

If I want to sell data in the EU, I can. I'm not subject to their laws unless I have a presence there.

GDPR tries to change that.

See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext...

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jacquesm »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #83
epolanski wrote: post #67

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Pretty sure they can't if they want to sell services in Europe at any point in the future.

They can always just sell via their US site, and the onus would be on the EU to block the site within their borders. Although realistically no big company would really do this.

One tried the reverse and its CEO went to jail.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by bonzini »

gabrieledarrigo wrote: post #157
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

Usually this way of thinking is called "benaltrismo".

In English, whataboutism.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by the_af »

nemo44x wrote: post #120
Zurrrrr wrote: post #87

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Singapore has to be one of the worst places to live. I don't care how 'nice' their society might seem, their overstep is too steep by far. "Custom officers can subject travellers to a drug screening test at the point of entry to Singapore. If you test positive for drugs, you can be arrested and prosecuted, even if the drugs were consumed prior to your arrival in the country." That's insanity.

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Is every drug that Singapore bans an example of "filth"?

Is an authoritarian Brave New World ok as long as people living in it are reportedly happy?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

jacquesm wrote: post #151
Zurrrrr wrote: post #138

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> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk, and given that the penalties can be pretty serious I would caution against this without having consulted with a lawyer. Note that I'm perfectl…

> The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected.

So what? We're discussing the GDPR. Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. GDPR was considered a first.

> In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk

You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law.

See https://www2.deloitte.com/ch/en/pages/risk/articles/gdpr-ext...

"Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU."

Yeah, that's unprecedented.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by maigret »

SanderNL wrote: post #75
weberer wrote: post #66

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They're not banning it just because its AI. They're banning it because it sends sensitive data to Microsoft without the user's consent.

The user is doing it. They are literally typing it. They are consenting to this. We don't need "watchdogs" "protecting" us from stuff we want to do ourselves.

You'd be surprised how many users don't understand what's behind the scenes. Very often it's knowingly obfuscated by the companies. I doubt many of the users understand their input is becoming part of the future models. Keep dunking on GDPR but I really enjoy having it locally and see the day to day advantages this brings to my life. This puts me as a user in control of the data I give to a business. "Take it or leave it" is too weak of an option IMO.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by br1brown »

drstewart wrote: post #132
gabrieledarrigo wrote: post #11

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Nah, this is a good move. These huge companies need to stops behaving like they own the world.

Thank you, exactly. The question is when Italy is going to move on Google for using Oracle's copyrighted Java API. Disgusting the EU has allowed it so far, clearly a blatant violation of sacred licensed information.

to this I would like to add that here in italy we also have "MonitoraPA" (monitoring public administrations) This is an observatory run by volunteers that takes care of verifying data transfers of users (i.e., citizens accessing Italian PA services) to foreign companies (typically USA). The latter, by virtue of more favorable legislation in their home states, can do whatever they want with such data and are required to hand it over to the government upon simple request. In this way, Italian citizens lose any guarantees enshrined in our country's legislation, starting with the constitution itself, as well as the GDPR

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by stevespang »

sdfghswe wrote: post #142
SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

So does the internet.

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by chatmasta »

thefz wrote: post #153
chatmasta wrote: post #116

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It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.

Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR. Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.

If I were an Italian citizen I wouldn't feel very protected if I were blocked from accessing software I wanted to use.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jacquesm »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #165
jacquesm wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk, and given that the penalties can be pretty serious I would caution against this without having consulted with a lawyer. Note that I'm perfectl…

> The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected. So what? We're discussing the GDPR. Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all. GDPR was considered a first. > In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk You're trying to compare GDP…

> Pretty sure the US has no similar law at all.

https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa

> You're trying to compare GDPR to general prinicples and it doesn't work. GDPR was a new type of law.

No, it's a law like every other. You abide by it or you end up dealing with the business end.

> "Let’s say for example that you are a Chinese web shop with a website that is available in German, French and English as well. You also process multiple orders a day from individuals within the EU and ship your products to them. This will make you fall in the scope of the GDPR, even though you have no establishment in the EU and are not performing any data processing activities within the EU."

> Yeah, that's unprecedented.

No, it isn't unprecedented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enf...

And that's before we get to AML and ATF legislation that the US has enacted and basically enforced all of the world of finance.

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