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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jacquesm »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #138
thefz wrote: post #97

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Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. Companies can either adapt to the ruling or take their business elsewhere.

> Nobody is touching other countries' servers. Not even close. No one claimed otherwise. It's still fascinating (and, I believe, a first) that the EU thinks they have extraterritorial jurisdiction just because their citizens are affected.

The US believes it has extraterritorial jurisdiction as well in many places, even in some cases where it isn't their citizens that are affected.

In general countries may well claim that their law applies even if you believe it doesn't, you then break that law at your own risk, and given that the penalties can be pretty serious I would caution against this without having consulted with a lawyer.

Note that I'm perfectly fine with the EU protecting the rights of its citizens, being one of those myself, and that I'm also perfectly fine with the US protecting the rights of its citizens.

I'm a bit weirded out by how the US taxes its nationals even when they live abroad but if that's the law then that's how it is for now.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by register »

atsjie wrote: post #114
polycaster wrote: post #107

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Why does it need to be different from Google in order to act against it?

If they are the same, why hasn't Google been banned in Italy all these years? There must be something fundamentally different between the two, and I'm not sure what it is.

OpenAI is not complying with GDPR regulations and has failed to provide the Italian government with information needed to comply with the regulations. It has 20 days to comply. I find that this should be the norm for this kind of services. Otherwise it is just Far West in the name of progress and the benefit of few.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by thefz »

chatmasta wrote: post #116
ztracf wrote: post #89

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Everyone who opposes Silicon Valley is a fascist? Meloni hasn't really done much and appeases the EU on most issues. Berlusconi was already called a fascist 20 years ago. If Italy has a problem, it is too much bureaucracy, not fascism.

It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.

Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR.

Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by bjornsing »

SanderNL wrote: post #112
baxtr wrote: post #103

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That's actually the sad message being conveyed by this, right? "You are so dumb, you need to be protected by the state doing stupid things with your data."

And I get it and usually agree. Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. I expect some agency to protect me, because in this domain I am too stupid. Oh wait.. the whole world is not a developer. I can definitely see how some people need protection here. Even developers are inputting sensitive code and info about their work. Weird times.

The difference is that no reasonable person wants to eat poison, but it’s completely rational to want to use OpenAI’s models on the terms they are offered.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by sorokod »

SanderNL wrote: post #125

'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

Do you see the qualitative difference between all of the following that can cause harm:

* a box of matches

* a handgun

* an assault rifle

* a 50 cal BMG

* an ICBM with nuclear MIRV

Saying that X has a property similar to the one Y has while ignoring the magnitude of the difference is silly.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by br1brown »

revelio wrote: post #121
thefz wrote: post #94

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I don't use it. Read the ruling. They are specifically referring to the data leak of some days ago that revealed personal information of GPT users that 1) was not explicitly collected and 2) was available to subjects that should not handle it (other users).

Then the Italian authorities will be pleased to know that the bug is already fixed, and thus there's nothing for them to do. Unless GDPR is now being interpreted as a general obligation to never write bugs, in which case, they will have plenty to do going after European firms because it's not like there's a shortage of buggy software in the world.

it may have been resolved, but while making the account I - Italian - did not give consent to the dissemination of MY data, and that is not in accordance with the GDPR

now I am not saying that they have to stop making use of my data, but at least notify me how and where my of phone is being used?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by gabrieledarrigo »

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

Usually this way of thinking is called "benaltrismo".

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by nemo44x »

Zurrrrr wrote: post #141
nemo44x wrote: post #120

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by AmericanChopper »

yuri91 wrote: post #68
AmericanChopper wrote: post #60

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> My training data is sourced from publicly available text on the internet and does not specifically target any individual or collect personal data. Training on publicly available data doesn’t mean that it doesn’t collect PII. Just ask it “who is ?” to demonstrate this for yourself. I asked it about some of my colleagues and it was able to write a brief profile about them, and they’d barely qualify as public figures…

Yeah I mean, I wouldn't trust the accuracy of its answer. But I find it funny that it agrees that OpenAI should comply.

It’s clearly been programmed to give canned answers to these questions. If you interrogate it a bit further on the details of its GDPR compliance it gives the same script every time, and will make outrageous claims about what PII is, and other things like that the right to be forgotten doesn’t apply to ChatGPT.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by SiempreViernes »

oriettaxx wrote: post #113
isp wrote: post #77

Good summary: https://www.politico.eu/article/italian-privacy-regulator-ba... The key issue under GDPR seems to be that OpenAI: > lacks a legal basis justifying "the mass collection and storage of personal data ... to 'train' the algorithms" of ChatGPT" My reading: OpenAI could comply with this by modifying ChatGPT to give users protected by GDPR a clear choice to opt-in vs opt-out on their chats being used as future…

not just that: another, for example, will be to give the ability for any user to remove his/her data (and also to be able to download). Then some more: I don't think OpenAI will have problems implement it, they are probably just late. But the big issue may be another one (I hope to be wrong): if I train my model with the contributions of many users, then some users ask me to remove their 'contribution', am I able to…

Yes: just remove that user's data from the training set, throw out the existing model and train from scratch on the modified training set.

As for the more interesting question if you can modify an existing model in a simple way: probably not. But you might get away with just dropping any response containing snippets of the contribution to be expunged, and that is hopefully good enough for the regulator.

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