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Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by rendall »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #36
rendall wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I see a pop-up, especially from "OneTrust", I immediately close the tab and re-open the site in Private/Incognito mode. There are some sites I just reflexively open that way. "Ars Technica" is but one example.

Closing the tab is good, but is it safe to assume, that they wont use fingerprinting, to map your "consent" (more like extortion) to future visits? Also they would still be tracking your incognito browser, if fingerprint is unique?

Maybe they do, but they ask each visit, so these tracking companies at least maintain the illusion that they don't know who I am. Each time I say no.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by jacquesm »

redeeman wrote: post #89
jacquesm wrote: post #84

Meta is way out of line. There is absolutely no way that the EU is going to allow Meta to break the law at scale without regulators throwing a fit. They might even get to be made into an example of what happens when you repeatedly try to knowingly break the law.

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> lol you really think so?

lol, yes I really think so.

> the EU serves at the pleasure of these megacompanies

This is the sort of thing that I'd be happy if it wasn't dumped into HN.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by pessimizer »

closewith wrote: post #92
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a country where WhatsApp is used by almost everyone. I uninstalled it 2 years ago and told my contacts that they can find me on Telegram if they'd like to contact me. Most of my friends and family switched to Telegram, and I'm really grateful for that. I don't miss any updates, and I'm able to communicate on a platform I like. In the beginning, they found it odd, but eventually started to like it and some n…

My honest reply is that you don't know the conversations you were excluded from because of this decision.

This is just rationalizing FOMO. Of course you don't know the things you don't know.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by rendall »

baynoob wrote: post #99

I see a lot of comments where they prefer telegram over WhatsApp. Surprising part is whatsapp is end to end encrypted by default for all conversations but telegram is not.

Yes, agreed. I didn't understand that. For me, Signal is preferred but I will use WhatsApp if I must.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by pessimizer »

jacquesm wrote: post #102
redeeman wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> lol you really think so? lol, yes I really think so. > the EU serves at the pleasure of these megacompanies This is the sort of thing that I'd be happy if it wasn't dumped into HN.

Is there some sort of inside information about EU process around Facebook that you want to share here, or is this just generalized bashing of people who have negative outlooks on particular institutions as cynics?

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by rrobukef »

pacifika wrote: post #68
rrobukef wrote: post #31

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This includes the permission to link your behavior across "devices"? Iirc, it is quite trivial to link one Private-mode session to another.

Not without breaking said laws

Linking devices is one of the standard permissions normally. So if you give permission in one window and don't say anything in another, it probably counts as permission for both.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by isanjay112 »

bilekas wrote: post #12

This is still a bit insane to me. If I understand correct, you have to fill a form with a justification why you object, and then Meta will decide if you can be removed from the detailed data collection ? Privacy is a basic human right, and the strawman argument of "Well don't just use their services then" is ridiculous with their influence. Also them touting to "connected the world" When in reality is "connecting to…

> strawman argument of "Well don't just use their services then" is ridiculous with their influence

I do not use any of facebook's apps or websites

But from what I can see from DuckDuckGo App tracking protection multiple apps load Facebook trackers. Basically there is no escaping facebook even if you don't touch any of their apps.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by jacquesm »

pessimizer wrote: post #105
jacquesm wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lol you really think so? lol, yes I really think so. > the EU serves at the pleasure of these megacompanies This is the sort of thing that I'd be happy if it wasn't dumped into HN.

Is there some sort of inside information about EU process around Facebook that you want to share here, or is this just generalized bashing of people who have negative outlooks on particular institutions as cynics?

Trolls will troll I guess. Let's reverse that: how about you show us how the EU is controlled by Facebook instead?

Seriously, the degree and number of dumb comments on HN has been going through the roof lately and I'm getting quite fed up with it. You can have a negative outlook on the EU (assuming you're informed enough to have that outlook in the first place) but to make a blanket claim that (US!) megacompanies control the EU is beyond ridiculous and then to have to defend against even dumber comments like yours in the style of 'when did you stop beating your wife' takes the cake.

The person who makes the outrageous claim gets to defend it, not the other way around.

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by duud »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #94
luluganeta wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a nice company, but parent comment had a really important point about depending on Whatsapp for basic social interaction. most informal social groups, parents included, now communicate mainly on whatsapp. You can naturally say no (i did) but then your kid is left out of most social events unless you're actively syncing with other parents every week to be in the loop (which is what i do and it's excruciating).…

Yeah, I totally understand your point. I had to be the stubborn one to leave WhatsApp and refuse any communication unless they contact me on Telegram. Some didn't like it at first, but thankfully most of them now love Telegram. I have a “My way or the highway” kinda attitude when it comes to WhatsApp, it has certainly caused problems once or twice, but I'm very firm on my stance against Facebook apps.

How is Telegram more privacy preserving than WhatsApp?

Re: Meta wants EU users to apply for permission to opt out of data collection

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Post by Kbelicius »

miroljub wrote: post #57
kergonath wrote: post #51

Lol no. That is a great way to have the European Parliament and the Commission to have a thorough look into your data harvesting practices. And lose yet another lawsuit.

... and be punished with yet another 11.278 € fine, as if that would change anything.

Meta was fined more than a billion Euros in the last 2 years.... you are talking nonsense.
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