Folia – Multithreading Coming to your Minecraft server

Post by Gigachad » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

colingoodman wrote: post #55

Gigachad wrote: post #52

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My hope is this allows expanding the player count on servers like 2b2t. The normal play style here is small groups of players spread out massively over the map. It would be incredible if you could effectively have each user on their own thread and mini server with it all just seamlessly working. Would be outstanding to see a server with something like 4000 players online all on the same map.

My mind went to 2b2t as well. Unfortunately players still tend to congregate somewhat around spawn. Perhaps Folia lets them raise the server cap to a degree, but it appears here that you still can’t have more than a couple hundred players in the same area. Allowing more than that limit on the server invites a mess in the event enough of those players end up in the same place for whatever reason.

Post by j5155 » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 5:50 AM UTC

robotnikman wrote: post #6

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #3

The modding/custom server situation with Minecraft is so exhausting. I can't believe after all these years there is still no official modding or plugin API. So now we have Folia, which is a fork of Paper, which is a fork of Spigot, which I believe was originally a fork of Bukkit. Nice. I guess people don't want to upstream patches for some reason.

I remember, back before Mojang was acquired by Microsoft the devs mentioned working on a modding API, and how it would allow for all kinds of things. I have a feeling such plans were killed off during the acquisition, as it has never been mentioned since then. Even now it would be simple for the devs to allow players to add new blocks and items via server sent resource packs without needed a modded client, and yet fo…

Post by actionfromafar » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 8:07 AM UTC

rezonant wrote: post #31

rezonant wrote: post #30

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It didn't die, it evolved. Mojang began taking cues from the modding communities, improving the internal APIs, making the overall codebase more generalized and robust, moving model data to declarative JSON, adding registry systems instead of hard coding, introducing additional resources namespaces by default, resource packs, data packs, simpler creation of custom blocks, biomes, and most recently opening up Mojang's…

As an addendum, other games get away with a "designed" modding API because the alternative is too difficult, as most games are built in C/C++ which is nowhere near as malleable and discoverable as the Java runtime. It's also why mods for Bedrock (the C++ implementation of Minecraft) is barely a thing.

Post by nightpool » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 8:53 AM UTC

DefineOutside wrote: post #33

anticrymactic wrote: post #32

I have thought about this a lot already and basically came to exact same conclusion with the "bubble" system. But don't the bubbles have to tick at the same time to be 100% vanilla? They still compute their ticks independently but only "roll over" together. Which would still increase performance extremely, don't get me wrong. But will not stop lag machines, since global mspt would be the min of all bubble mspt's. Alt…

Stuff is already used to ticking at a different pace because only parts are loading in the world at a time. Lag machines don't work as it will only lag your region, not all regions have to tick at the same pace.

Post by creatonez » Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #20

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #16

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Also Java performance doesn't have to be so horrendous, that is Mojang'a fault. They could iron it out with a tiny fraction of their sales. That being said, the low hanging mod fruit they could incorporate is often poisoned by GPL or some other weird license.

Why isn't there a mod to iron out the performance if its so trivial?