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Nuclear power is too safe

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Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#41
post #8

It would be really, really nice if we lived in a world where people new nuclear power mostly just means heating water (like many methods of power generation…)

The problem is if the water turns off for any reason, it'll burn itself up and cause a massive disaster. Especially the spent fuel which needs water to stay cool.

It's not fail safe.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

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post #3

If you think maintenance is expensive you should try an incident.

Let's rule out Chernobyl and look at TMI and Fukushima. - Three Mile Island had cleanup costs of $1B (1982, so maybe $2-3B in todays money). - Cleanup costs after Fukushima seems to be about $500B+

So, even though reactor prices seems to have tripled, cleanup costs seems to have no upper limit.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

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post #43
post #3

If you think maintenance is expensive you should try an incident.

Let's rule out Chernobyl and look at TMI and Fukushima. - Three Mile Island had cleanup costs of $1B (1982, so maybe $2-3B in todays money). - Cleanup costs after Fukushima seems to be about $500B+ So, even though reactor prices seems to have tripled, cleanup costs seems to have no upper limit.

Was the 500B entirely of radiation, or also the well tsunami. As if we want to lover the later we must remove all people from coast forcibly and maybe make some kinds of zones patrolled by armed guards to prevent people entering there.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#45
post #23

Somehow we collectively forget/ignore that coal power releases many times the radioactivity of nuclear power, and that is just dumped directly into the air. The numbers are not directly apples to apples but absolutely lead to more life/health loss from fossil nuclear radiation contamination than fission nuclear radiation contamination. E.g: https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/... https://www.s…

The author said scaling up nuclear would result in 26 more disasters, so if you're trying to beat coal in the radiation department then scaling up nuclear is a good way to do it.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#46
post #31

A comment from the author I found interesting (with some minor edits, mainly for spelling): > "All the evacuations at Fukushima were unnecessary, and in the case of the frail [or] elderly murderously so. If there had been no evacuations, few members of the public would have received more than 1 mSv/day peak and some 1600 lives would have been saved, and some 100,000 less lives sadly disrupted. Even the EPA now counse…

Those statements (not yours) are quite surprising, and seem falsifiable. Anyone have the expertise to judge whether the factual claims are true?

I don't know about Chernobyl, but there should not have been any nuclear related evacuations for Fukushima. People who wanted to leave on their own could. Evacuations might have been a good idea in some places for the worst flooding and earthquake zones, but I don't know that it was even possible to get that information in advance, and even if it was the Japanese government would probably not act on it, then or now.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#47
post #19
post #13

I never understand why the "man in the street" with their zero knowledge will decide if which type of power plant is safe/sustainable/economical. Imagine if they would be also allowed to tell your car mechanical what is wrong and how to fix that.

Democracy. Sounds banal, but it's all we got. Nuclear triggers some primal fear. The safety regulations have become table stakes, unfortunately.

> Nuclear triggers some primal fear.

Rightfully so.

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#48
If plants were still being built to 1960s standards, we'd have many Fukushima type reactors that can't survive a loss of plant power. The US still has some of those, Peach Bottom, Pennsylvania being the best known.

There's a lot to be said for a big, strong containment vessel. That's why the Three Mile Island meltdown was an expensive accident but didn't injure anyone. Maybe if the industry just got better at big, strong containment vessels cheaply...

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

#49
As a physicist and full professor in medical imaging I can ensure you somewhat authoritatively: You can simply disregard every clown on the internet who dismisses linear no threshold out of hand. This is fairly sure sign that this person relies on pseudoscientific sources, also promoted by certain industries and shills which generally lobby against anti-pollution laws and sadly adopted by some pro-nuclear lobbyists. (of course, nuclear is far better than coal and one can make very reasonable arguments for nuclear, but simply dismissing LNT puts you directly into the pseudoscience world)

Re: Nuclear power is too safe

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post #37
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that can kill millions Did the inverse square law stop working recently or do they all take turns touching it?

Do you need to take turns touching it for it to be mishandled, stolen, have some accident during transport, leak in the biosphere, the soil, rivers, or underground waters, spread as air particles, be used in a dirt bomb, and several other ways besides?

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