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Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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> Want to talk to people who have seen hundreds of companies deal with what you’re dealing? YC is great for that. The way I read your post, saying you "can get" very valuable advice immediately followed by saying some advice was wrong undermines that "can" pretty solidly. I'm not just looking at that sentence in isolation. Could we get an estimate of how much of the advice was right, weighted by how non-obvious each…

> The way I read your post, saying you "can get" very valuable advice immediately followed by saying some advice was wrong undermines that "can" pretty solidly. I disagree. Getting advice from subject matter experts is almost always of great value. The chances of that advice being on-target for you are never 100%, but that doesn't mean the advice is without value. It just means that it's not infallible. In the end, a…

I just had this discussion with my child. I tried to advise them through experiences based on my trip through those same experiences. So I gave them advice like 'don't rack up student debt' and "don't buy a house that costs more than 3x your salary".

Turns out, even though I had the same experiences (went to college, bought a house, etc.) my advice doesn't seem to fit today's world. At some point, they should just quit asking me for advice. #DitchTheSherpa

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Did YC S21 which was an all remote batch. my 2c. YC is 100% what you make of it. It's not a lean back experience. I did not meet most of the companies in my batch but I've gotten to know many founders through YC that I would not have otherwise. Founders that have been source of advice and support. Network of clients - yep don't go into YC expecting to sell to other YC cos. It is easier to get warm intros through the…

The fundraising aspect is understated. If you build a company on your own lots of investors don’t really care. But if you graduate from YC you get a huge reputation bump.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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"B) Sell your product to startups and see a lot of benefits from gaining access to the YC network."

Keep everything inside the distorted reality of the "tech" community. The "YC Network" sounds like MLM, something like Herbalife or Amway.

This reminded me of a recent NYT article that mentioned YC.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/technology/svb-tech-start...

The article discussed how SVB made loans to "tech" start-up founders who had just received funds from "tech" VC, the bank's primary customers.

First, cults require some "reality-distortion" to use Steve Jobs' term. Close people off from the outside world, e.g., traditional banks.

"These companies put a priority on breakneck growth, shift strategies frequently and celebrate failure as a learning opportunity. They are often worth billions before ever turning a profit, and they can go from silly idea to behemoth at astonishing speed. Most crucially, they rely on a tight network of money, workers, founders and service providers to function.

That unique and often irrational reality required a specialized bank."

What about the common, rational reality that we all share. The one that informs us that, e.g., MLM, cults, Ponzi schemes, and the like are not what we want. For example, the reality of getting a mortgage for a first home.

"SVB's dominance was well known at Y Combinator, a start-up incubator. Dozens of tech founders who participated in Y Combinator last year were told to open bank accounts at SVB, and they were introduced to SVB bankers at Y Combinator events, said three people who took part in Y Combinator's 2022 class of tech entrepreneurs over the summer.

One described a cocktail hour mixer in which he was introduced to an SVB banker who could provide a loan to his start-up once he graduated from Y Combinator's program. Six months later, when he needed a loan to buy his first home, he went to SVB. The bank looked at his company's valuation, based on the money it had raised in its first round of funding, and spoke to investors of his company. It granted a loan after two other banks turned him down, he said.

SVB's home loans were significantly better than those from traditional banks, four people who received them said. The loans were $2.5 million to $6 million, with interest rates under 2.6 percent. Other banks had turned them down or, when given quotes for interest rates, offered over 3 percent, the people said."

Let's see. "Tech" VC use a special bank. The special bank's customers are generally only either "tech" VC or "tech" start-up founders. The "tech" VC deposit funds into "tech" start-up founder bank accounts. Then the special bank loans money (that likely came from "tech" VC) to "tech" start-up founders, based on dubious valuations made by the bank's "tech" VC customers. The entire scheme is fully insulated from the reality of the outside world.

Someone I know who studied finance read this NYT article and commented that the term "venture debt" reminded him of "EBITDA",^1 specifically Munger's comment about replacing every instance of the acronym EBITDA with the words "bullshit earnings".

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvnKylAyLbQ

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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I think we are definitely in a new era. My view: entrepreneurs should take on a little more technology risk. Not just market risk. License IP from federal labs and government agencies -- there is SO much advanced tech sitting on shelves. Do government contracting to fund R&D. Go beyond just software, especially the SaaS kind, because ultimately, software can only make so much difference in society. Investors don't li…

You are describing a moat, and it is indeed important. I’ll step up on the soapbox for a moment… A moat can be unique technology, an exclusive licensing agreement, an exclusive IP (patent or otherwise), very unique experience or insight, an exclusive geographic location, a very unique business model, a very unique skill and/or reputation, etc. Follow the leader seems like a plan, but it’s probably not a good plan unl…

> Writing software is not a differentiator. It’s not a shortcut to big bucks. It’s not a solution in itself. It’s just a tool. Anything you can write in a week (or 3 months) can be done by 100,000 other people—-in a week (or 3 months).

> You have to start with a problem, defined by a large group of people, that you have the experience and expertise to solve in a unique and valuable way.

That precise argument is why I didn't make Slack. And yet Slack is a lots-of-dollars business, made by people who, as far as I can see, started with no more expertise in the domain than any of us who've ever worked for a big company has.

As I get older I'm more and more convinced that actually doing anything at all can be a differentiator.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Did YC S21 which was an all remote batch. my 2c. YC is 100% what you make of it. It's not a lean back experience. I did not meet most of the companies in my batch but I've gotten to know many founders through YC that I would not have otherwise. Founders that have been source of advice and support. Network of clients - yep don't go into YC expecting to sell to other YC cos. It is easier to get warm intros through the…

> I'd do YC again in a heartbeat.

I think this captures my opinion too, in spirit.

That said, there's definitely diminishing returns doing an accelerator for a 2nd time. I did Techstars NYC 3 years after doing YC, and no complaints but once you're part of the YC (or Techstars) network, you're in and you know all the core teachings / philosophies - sort of like a college degree.

Plus, you already have the experience of starting and running a company.

100% do an accelerator at least once. But doing one twice, I would really consider the cost/benefit.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Did YC S21 which was an all remote batch. my 2c. YC is 100% what you make of it. It's not a lean back experience. I did not meet most of the companies in my batch but I've gotten to know many founders through YC that I would not have otherwise. Founders that have been source of advice and support. Network of clients - yep don't go into YC expecting to sell to other YC cos. It is easier to get warm intros through the…

> YC is 100% what you make of it This is 100% what survivor bias sounds like. Every party is what you make of it. Every job. Every business. Every interaction. Except, you know, when this other thing is overhyped and one hopes getting there helps and it turns out... it's not any different than anything else?

> This is 100% what survivor bias sounds like.

Absolutely. Except, YC is designed to maximize your odds of "surviving"

It really is like college/university. You can skip class every day and no one cares. You can also attend every class, leverage every resource, and work really hard to be successful.

YC absolutely does not guarantee success (speaking from experience. my YC company failed). It absolutely increases your chances of success, particularly if (or perhaps only if) you don't have a strong professional network and/or network of advisors.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Yeah, it's hard. But sustaining that is how you get the next Facebook.

So YC is mostly just for unicorns?

Yeah, the entire venture capital model is based on outlier outcomes. They don't want 2x or even 10x returns, they want 1000x returns on the outliers, so in aggregate they can hopefully 5-10x the fund overall.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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I’m commenting a bit late but still want to share some thoughts for some readers hopefully.

Life is weird. Business is weird. Relationships are weird. Opportunities are weird. School is weird. Etc.

Some things, identical as can be, can work for people while doing nothing for others. Everything impacts at different rates.

The one constant is you get out of it what you put into it.

The Y program is by design not going to churn 100% results for everyone for — both the investors and the startups.

You get a shot and you take it and move on. Best of luck to you all.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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post #294

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You are describing a moat, and it is indeed important. I’ll step up on the soapbox for a moment… A moat can be unique technology, an exclusive licensing agreement, an exclusive IP (patent or otherwise), very unique experience or insight, an exclusive geographic location, a very unique business model, a very unique skill and/or reputation, etc. Follow the leader seems like a plan, but it’s probably not a good plan unl…

> Writing software is not a differentiator. It’s not a shortcut to big bucks. It’s not a solution in itself. It’s just a tool. Anything you can write in a week (or 3 months) can be done by 100,000 other people—-in a week (or 3 months). > You have to start with a problem, defined by a large group of people, that you have the experience and expertise to solve in a unique and valuable way. That precise argument is why I…

Doing a thing, and doing it well is a really good differentiator! The thing about software is that it scales way easier than a Korean bakery, so the brand itself is the important differentiation. If you can identify a need in the market and throw the right pieces at it, and spend 6-months building it in secret, that 6-month head start building your product and adding features before you release to the public is your moat. Yeah it's not the deepest moat but those features are a moat nonetheless and you can totally build a successful business on top of that. Anybody that starts after you launch is going to be 6 months behind and forever playing catch-up.

Re: Is Y Combinator worth the money?

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Any investor would hate this idea, it's a terrible deal for them, and YC are smart enough to get it out of you. The whole business of VC is to sell later at the higher price. If they give you money at val of 5M+ and you sell for 2M - they are in loss.

The whole business of business is to sell later at a higher price.

Surely the majority of businesses are small, and are more about making profits every year, rather than selling shares?

I don’t usually see one-liner comments from you.

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