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Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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Screenshots! The first thing most people want when evaluating an operating system for a personal device is a screenshot. A picture is worth a thousand words, and in the case of a screenshot, you can choose what’s in it to visually communicate key features. I’ve been digging around the site for several minutes and I have yet to find a single one.

Nah, just seeing Ubuntu does it makes me want to not touch it.

It's the only thing that makes me consider installing it.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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I was one of the relatively early adopters in 2015 when the BQ Aquaris E4.5 came out. I gave Ubuntu Touch a chance, particularly as I was longing for something comparable to Maemo on the Nokia N900. At first it was great. OpenSSH, bash, etc. I had some fun hacking on it. However, I quickly realized they threw a beta product at the people. I missed phone calls because of race conditions. I couldn't connect to my wifi…

I also was an early adopter of the BQ Aquaris (I even meant to get a tablet, but got too busy), and it was great, Ubuntu Touch felt so much nicer for me to use than Android... and then I stupidly dropped it, and with the bottom left of the screen unresponsive I had to toss it.

Most painful loss of a device I've suffered.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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What kind of a bubble do the Ubuntu devs live in if they dont see a reason to show even a single screenshot of their product? What goes through the head of the product manager writing a whole essay and a full extensive changelog but not bothering to add a fucking picture?

I really want to like linux but every dang distro i've tried is 3 feet from gold. It's like the final steps are never taken. Great artists steal.

Gates and Jobs are why I don't use Windows or Mac.

Torvalds, Stallman, Gosling, they don't steal, they innovate.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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It would install its bootloader into its own partition and then it would be up to you to direct your boot sequence to look there. I just did this 2 hours ago with opensuse.

how does a non-technical user direct its boot loader to boot from a partition?

Depends on what kind of user it is. My BIOS can select the disk that will be first tried for boot, and within that which partition has priority. I can select this during boot without setting it in the bios too. Another option is to use one of the boot disk on usb drive solutions. There are even alternative boot loaders (not windows or grub) that can search the disk for ALL bootable partitions.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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how do you expect it to boot? At least linux keeps windows as an option, try installing windows after linux and you will be left without a way to boot it

It would install its bootloader into its own partition and then it would be up to you to direct your boot sequence to look there. I just did this 2 hours ago with opensuse.

While windows had its things in the bootloader, how could opensuse take over the boot, without touching it?

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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It would install its bootloader into its own partition and then it would be up to you to direct your boot sequence to look there. I just did this 2 hours ago with opensuse.

how does a non-technical user direct its boot loader to boot from a partition?

A non-technical user does not mess around with partitions :)

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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It would install its bootloader into its own partition and then it would be up to you to direct your boot sequence to look there. I just did this 2 hours ago with opensuse.

While windows had its things in the bootloader, how could opensuse take over the boot, without touching it?

Windows bootloader is at the mbr of the first disk. You have opensuse install its bootloader into its own disk. I am not sure if UEFI changes things here but if anything it probably makes things easier.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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It would install its bootloader into its own partition and then it would be up to you to direct your boot sequence to look there. I just did this 2 hours ago with opensuse.

While windows had its things in the bootloader, how could opensuse take over the boot, without touching it?

Both NTLDR and Windows Boot Manager are capable of redirecting to subsequent bootloaders, this feature is intended for dual booting with older versions of Windows but can also be used to dual boot into Linux and other operating systems.

As an example, if you install Windows 98, then Windows XP, then Windows 10 side by side, the following things happen:

1. Windows 98 installs its bootloader.

2. Windows XP takes a dump of 98's bootloader into a file and then overwrites the MBR with NTLDR. NTLDR is then configured with an option to chainload into 98's bootloader by reading its dump file.

3. Windows 10 takes a dump of NTLDR into a file and then overwrites the MBR with Windows Boot Manager. Windows Boot Manager is then configured with an option to chainload into NTLDR by reading its dump file.

This means you can install Windows 10 (and Windows Boot Manager), install Linux and have it install its bootloader (eg: GRUB) somewhere, then configure Windows Boot Manager to chainload the Linux bootloader (eg: GRUB) by reading from wherever it's stored.

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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Not OP, but they deleted the boot loader of when windows drive when I installed Ubuntu on a different drive... not cool, Cannonical.

how do you expect it to boot? At least linux keeps windows as an option, try installing windows after linux and you will be left without a way to boot it

Windows only cares for other installations of Windows, it doesn't care about anything else. For Linux installations, you need to do all the proper preparation work prior to installing Windows.

That being said, as I wrote in a comment[1] further down both NTLDR and Windows Boot Manager are capable of chainloading into other bootloaders, including Linux bootloaders like GRUB.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35380297

Re: Had enough of Android? First 'Focal' based Ubuntu Touch is out

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I'm not that guy, but snaps are the main reason for not liking Ubuntu recently. The impression I get is that Canonical is trying to monetize Ubuntu's popularity and a lot of people are resentful of that since Ubuntu gets most of it's value from the free software it bundles into it's distro.

I think you're right, but Maybe it's my myopia, but I feel they were easily the most dev friend years ago, and poured their life and money into it, to benefit others But then after ubuntu phone, the level of ingratitude from us devs were shocking Project focus wasn't always on the ball, but we the community ripped them apart for it So yeah, snaps is a little more lookin' after number one. I agree with that assessment…

The list of Ubuntu "sins" is very long, and goes all the way to their founding - effectively forking the Debian ecosystem. As for being "dev friendly", it really depends on what you mean by that; their insistence on building their own things and discounting third-party input, over and over, was anything but friendly.
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