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Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I have to ask. Why is it "white"-board vs. "chalk"-board? Back in elementary school, I learned to call the former "black"-board.

In português it's "quadro branco" (a white board/rectangle/frame on the wall or on a stand) and "lousa" (which refers to the material and/or its colour and texture). I think "chalkboards" and "lousa" can be black, grey, blue, brown, purple, red, or green, but maybe "blackboard" can only be black.

In Spanish we call a blackboard a "pizarrón", which references the slate its made of.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I think you are projecting your own hypersensitivity into your understanding of the topic. Green chalkboards, like my schools had as a kid, were not black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard points out "Green porcelain enamel surface, was first used in 1930, and as this type of boards became popular, the word "chalkboard" appeared. In the US green porcelain enamelled boards started to appear at schools in 1950s…

Blackboards are not black, they are grey; robin red-breasts do not have red breasts, those are orange; Redheads do not have red hair, they have orange-brown, and so on. So why is it that black is renamed on the grounds of accuracy? > I think you are projecting your own hypersensitivity I'm puzzled by this, could you elucidate? I'm with James Brown "Say It Loud – I'm Black and I'm Proud", I don't see black as a negati…

> Blackboards are not black, they are grey

Yes, and tennis shoes aren't only used for tennis.

What you wrote is not correct. First, I assume you are not making the technically-correct-only assertion that since everything, including Vantablack, reflects some light, it isn't truly black but only a dark shade of grey.

Quoting Wikipedia, "Blackboards were originally made of smooth, thin sheets of black or dark grey slate stone". That's "black" and "dark grey".

But you don't need to take Wikipedia's work. We can look at books from a century ago and read a book where they improvised a blackboard using black paint: "This space was carefully sandpapered and immediately after received its first coat of black paint, prepared with oil, which served as a foundation. After 24 hours, another layer of the black color followed, (this time without oil) and finally, in two more days, the black brush completed, from every standpoint, a perfect blackboard." https://archive.org/details/jstor-3406078/page/n1/mode/2up?q...

Or the 1905 book "Nelson's blackboard drawing" which mentions "So long as the black surface of the board is visible, the sketch is quite conventional" at https://archive.org/details/b1625318/page/n121/mode/2up?q=bl... . (As an aside, there are some excellent chalk drawings in that book.)

Thus, black surfaces for chalk use in a classroom have long been referred to as "blackboards."

You can see the transition to "chalkboard" in the 1950s (emphasis mine in the following) in a 1955 publication saying "And don’t overlook the old standby, the chalkboard. Notice that we refer to it as a chalkboard, since it is not black. A green board and yellow chalk will not produce the halo effect that results from using white chalk on a blackboard. You can make a simple and inexpensive chalkboard by painting the smooth side of a piece of tempered masonite with green chalkboard paint." https://archive.org/details/CAT10679308/page/2/mode/2up?q=ch...

As well as in this 1953 newspaper article titled "Britain Bans Old-Fashioned Blackboard For The New Colored Chalkboard", wherein we read how "a slab of black on the wall has a tendency to create a dark, depressing, uncomfortable and gloomy atmosphere", and how they will be replaced "with a 'chalkboard' in some one of nine brighter colors" https://archive.org/details/1953-04-11-1953-04-30/page/n167/... .

The trend continues, like this 1962 comment that "The chalkboard (blackboard) is one of the oldest graphic or visual instruction devices. The earlier slate blackboard has now been replaced by white, green, or yellow satin-surfaced or glareproof glass or plastic chalk-board." at https://archive.org/details/audiovisualmater0000unse/page/66...

By the 1970s you can see Sears referring to an "old-fashioned blackboard" as a "black chalkboard" at https://archive.org/details/1970-1979-sears-wishbook-toys_20... and at the bottom of the page is a flip chalkboard with described as blue on one side and black on the other.

> So why is it that black is renamed on the grounds of accuracy?

As they said in the 1950s, "we refer to it as a chalkboard, since it is not black."

While your "hypersensitivity" hypothesis doesn't explain why the changing usage started in the pre-Civil Rights era of the 1950s, and including the UK.

> could you elucidate

I think you are hypersensitive to the idea that others are hypersensitive to using the term black.

I think you are so hypersensitive that you dismissed counter-evidence out of hand, without further examination.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I still find blackboard + chalk to be a heinous combination. Is this just because my grade school used cheap low-grade chalk? I do have a weird physiological reaction to 'fffffffff' friction sounds. A hard cheap pencil against cheap paper, making a similar raspy sound as chalk-on-blackboard, with cause me to reflexively (and uncontrollably) suck my lips in tight, as if protecting my teeth from the vibrations. Back in…

Could be the low grade chalk. I remember a short video that talked about a Japanese chalk manufacturer shutting its doors, and professors from all over the globe were flocking to Japan to buy it or figure out ways to trade it because the remaining stock couldn’t be exported (a little fuzzy on the details here). Allegedly, the chalk was just that good.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I think you are projecting your own hypersensitivity into your understanding of the topic. Green chalkboards, like my schools had as a kid, were not black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard points out "Green porcelain enamel surface, was first used in 1930, and as this type of boards became popular, the word "chalkboard" appeared. In the US green porcelain enamelled boards started to appear at schools in 1950s…

I don't know, I remember people talking about calling them chalkboards instead of blackboards in the UK 25 years ago, back when it was "political correctness gone mad". We don't have green chalkboards at all in the UK. They're all black.

In researching a sibling comment, I found a 1953 newspaper article saying "Britain Bans Old-Fashioned Blackboard For The New Colored Chalkboard" at https://archive.org/details/1953-04-11-1953-04-30/page/n167/... .

The reason given is "a slab of black on the wall has a tendency to create a dark, depressing, uncomfortable and gloomy atmosphere", and they will be replaced "with a 'chalkboard' in some one of nine brighter colors"

Amusingly, the Collins English Dictionary (3rd edition) defined "chalkboard" as "a U.S. and Canadian word for blackboard." at https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780004332864/page/268/mode... . Archive.org says it's from 1981 but I can't find a date in the book.

And in "An Assembly Collection" by Joan Hasler, Headteacher at Dover Grammar School for Girls, (1986) is reading 128, titled "Green Blackboards"

  The school is up-to-date.
  Proudly, the principal tells of all the improvements.
  The finest discovery, Lord, is the green blackboard.
  The scientists have studied long, they have made experiments;
  We know now that green is the ideal colour, that it doesn't tire the
    eyes, that it is quieting and relaxing.
   ....
I also found mention of a "green blackboard" in Comedians, a 1975 play by Trevor Griffiths taking place in 1970s Manchester (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedians_(play) ): "his room, on the ground floor, is smallish, about a dozen chipped and fraying desks, two dozen chairs set out in rows facing the small dais on which stands the teacher’s desk, with green blackboard unwiped from the day’s last stand beyond." - https://archive.org/details/comedians0000grif_p3e8/page/6/mo... .

So it appears at some point there were at least green blackboards in the UK.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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Blackboards are not black, they are grey; robin red-breasts do not have red breasts, those are orange; Redheads do not have red hair, they have orange-brown, and so on. So why is it that black is renamed on the grounds of accuracy? > I think you are projecting your own hypersensitivity I'm puzzled by this, could you elucidate? I'm with James Brown "Say It Loud – I'm Black and I'm Proud", I don't see black as a negati…

> Blackboards are not black, they are grey Yes, and tennis shoes aren't only used for tennis. What you wrote is not correct. First, I assume you are not making the technically-correct-only assertion that since everything, including Vantablack, reflects some light, it isn't truly black but only a dark shade of grey. Quoting Wikipedia, "Blackboards were originally made of smooth, thin sheets of black or dark grey slate…

You could be right, but using your favourite n-gram viewer, it looks like there is a relationship

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=%28chalkboard+...

Any thoughts on that apparent correlation? My (implicit) assertion was: in times of racial tension, people avoid(ed) using the word 'black' not wanting to appear racist. That seems reasonable to me, could there be some causal relation in the other direction?

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I don't know, I remember people talking about calling them chalkboards instead of blackboards in the UK 25 years ago, back when it was "political correctness gone mad". We don't have green chalkboards at all in the UK. They're all black.

In researching a sibling comment, I found a 1953 newspaper article saying "Britain Bans Old-Fashioned Blackboard For The New Colored Chalkboard" at https://archive.org/details/1953-04-11-1953-04-30/page/n167/... . The reason given is "a slab of black on the wall has a tendency to create a dark, depressing, uncomfortable and gloomy atmosphere", and they will be replaced "with a 'chalkboard' in some one of nine brighte…

I've seen green blackboards in UK universities, pretty rare though (and still usually called blackboards).

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I remember people talking about calling them chalkboards instead of blackboards in the UK 25 years ago, back when it was "political correctness gone mad". We don't have green chalkboards at all in the UK. They're all black.

In researching a sibling comment, I found a 1953 newspaper article saying "Britain Bans Old-Fashioned Blackboard For The New Colored Chalkboard" at https://archive.org/details/1953-04-11-1953-04-30/page/n167/... . The reason given is "a slab of black on the wall has a tendency to create a dark, depressing, uncomfortable and gloomy atmosphere", and they will be replaced "with a 'chalkboard' in some one of nine brighte…

Great research. Obviously I was not being 100% literal when I said we don't have green blackboards (heh) in the UK. I'm sure somewhere someone has one, but I've literally never seen a single one so they must be exceedingly rare.

Very interesting comment anyway; thanks!

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I still find blackboard + chalk to be a heinous combination. Is this just because my grade school used cheap low-grade chalk? I do have a weird physiological reaction to 'fffffffff' friction sounds. A hard cheap pencil against cheap paper, making a similar raspy sound as chalk-on-blackboard, with cause me to reflexively (and uncontrollably) suck my lips in tight, as if protecting my teeth from the vibrations. Back in…

In primary school I couldn't win; blunt pencils were a bad time, and trying to sharpen my pencil would lead to the tip breaking pretty soon after. Pens also get to me sometimes, I have one which is really nice to use and it puts out a lot of ink, but I'm not sure if that's it.

Stationary can become a great and not-overly-expensive hobby if you invest a little bit of effort in it. I wish I knew what I know now when I was going to school:

* If I use harder pencils("F" or "H" where the standard pencil is "HB" and softer pencils are "B"), they erase more cleanly, give more friction so I get better control, and break less. Going softer makes them dark but there's a big tradeoff involved in the other respects.

* When I was growing up gel pens were still pretty new and ballpoints were the best option for lefty ink writing in most instances. However, now pretty much everything is a hybrid with quick-dry ink. If I had to pick one all-rounder it would be the Uni 207 Plus+.

* The standard ruled filler note papers are mostly terrible - thin, with a crummy, uneven texture. This means that they can't be used with all pens effectively because roller or fountain ink will go right through. Getting anything slightly heavier and smoother(even a graph paper pad) makes for a better experience.

* To learn to hold pens and develop muscle memory, do a lot of blind contour drawing, and use the various different kids' art supplies to vary the process. The reason why this works well is because blind contours make you navigate the paper by feel alone, and the specific feel of each tool changes your approach - pencil, crayon, brush, marker, chalk all have differences in how they're best held. So you end up being very sensitive to the differences, which makes you better at drawing as well as using the most effective grasp for the task.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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Hagoromo does feel pretty nice to write with. It’s thicker and it writes smoother than standard chalk. It also has some sort of coating on the sides so it doesn’t get everywhere. It doesn’t break easily when dropped. It’s good but not hilariously better than decent chalk. I find that because of the coating you have to pick a side that you’re going to write with, and this small amount of mental energy is a small roadb…

As a Hagoromo-using professor: its biggest advantage to me is that it erases much more cleanly, so that after a few passes over the board you can still read the new writing instead of it looking like writing over half-erased writing.

That’s a great point that I forgot to mention. I’d reckon a large reason for this and its other benefits is how soft the chalk is.

Re: How to draw dotted lines on chalkboards, MIT style (2021)

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I went to a talk by a grad student historian who studied how mathematical ideas evolved in Europe roughly 1600-1900. He started his talk by quickly drawing a damn near photorealistic map of Europe on the chalk board. Very impressive way to start a talk and make it memorable. It really impressed on me how lecturing can be developed like a performing art. I never leveled up my chalkboard skills, but there were definite…

> but there were definitely times when I distracted myself from proofs that wouldn’t work by learning how to make beautiful diagrams in latex + tikz. I have never, ever, regretted coming to the table with eye candy like this. Were some of those investigations the most "profitable" thing to be working on at the time? Probably not, but a good, clean visualization buys you so much cred with both your audience and yourse…

You can waste ours and hours to something in tikz which could probably be done in 30 minutes with SVG. Sigh.
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