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I love that OpenAI uses a ton of other peoples work to train their model, yet when someone uses OpenAI to train their model, they get all up in arms. As far as I'm concerned, OpenAI has decided terms of use don't exist anymore.
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The argument is these companies are using our ideas created by us humans in this thing called the interenet for free and without attribution and it's problematic.
You can't own ideas, they got their own life-cycle.
1. Google denies doing it, so at the very least the title should have an "allegedly". 2. Even if they did – so what? The output from ChatGPT is not copyrightable by OpenAI. In fact it is OpenAI that is training its models on copyrighted data, pictures, code from all over the internet.
But remember many years back when it was news that Bing used Google search results to improve its results.
A closer equivalent would be if someone had made a ShareSERP site and people posted their favorite search terms and the results Google gave and Bing crawled that and incorporated the search terms to links connections into their search graph.
The actual actions had maybe gone too far (personally I thought it was more funny than "copying"), the hypothetical would be pretty much what you'd expect to happen. Even google would probably crawl ShareSERP and inadvertently reinforce their own results (the same way OpenAI presumably gets more than a bit of their own results back at them in any new crawls of reddit, hn, etc even if they avoid sites like ShareGPT deliberately).
1. Google denies doing it, so at the very least the title should have an "allegedly". 2. Even if they did – so what? The output from ChatGPT is not copyrightable by OpenAI. In fact it is OpenAI that is training its models on copyrighted data, pictures, code from all over the internet.
People complained that new AI is "stealing" from artists. But stealing from other AI turns out to often be easier. And this is where things get fun, because companies like OpenAI want to be able to train on all the data without any explicit permissions from the creators, but the moment people do the same to them they likely (we will see) be very much against it. So it will be interesting if they will be able to both…
After all, the GitHub Copilot Product Specific Terms say:
> 2. Ownership of Suggestions and Your Code
> GitHub does not claim any ownership rights in Suggestions. You retain ownership of Your Code.
https://github.com/customer-terms/github-copilot-product-spe...
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Injunction on which grounds? Even if OpenAI had copyright over ChatGPT output (which is not at all clear), Google isn't distributing those, they just trained a model on them. So from a copyright perspective there's nothing to complain about. Unless OpenAI would want to argue that you need rights to your training data, but something tells me that that's not in their best interest.
Again, IANAL. But it could be extremely damaging to OpenAI for their biggest openly declared competition (Google), to have used OpenAI's tech to improve their own. So it could seem reasonable to a judge to grant temporary/preliminary injunction relief to OpenAI against Google until discovery can happen or an audience can be held.
Maybe it wont happen in a single LLM generation, but perhaps gen 3 or 5 will start having really weird speech patterns or hallucinations because of this.
1. Google denies doing it, so at the very least the title should have an "allegedly". 2. Even if they did – so what? The output from ChatGPT is not copyrightable by OpenAI. In fact it is OpenAI that is training its models on copyrighted data, pictures, code from all over the internet.
OpenAI Terms of service forbid training competitor models via their ML outputs (LoRa alpaca laundering is probably not allowed for commercial use).
1. Google denies doing it, so at the very least the title should have an "allegedly". 2. Even if they did – so what? The output from ChatGPT is not copyrightable by OpenAI. In fact it is OpenAI that is training its models on copyrighted data, pictures, code from all over the internet.
OpenAI Terms of service forbid training competitor models via their ML outputs (LoRa alpaca laundering is probably not allowed for commercial use).
1. Google denies doing it, so at the very least the title should have an "allegedly". 2. Even if they did – so what? The output from ChatGPT is not copyrightable by OpenAI. In fact it is OpenAI that is training its models on copyrighted data, pictures, code from all over the internet.
OpenAI Terms of service forbid training competitor models via their ML outputs (LoRa alpaca laundering is probably not allowed for commercial use).