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Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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In a world where humans develop superintelligence, what would you predict to see beforehand? Does what we’re seeing look like failure?

I’ve always found the dismissals of EY’s arguments to be pretty weak and people rarely engage on the actual arguments, even as his concerns have become more and more relevant with capability (in 2007 people thought AGI was at best 50yrs out and commonly people thought it was impossible, this was before any real deep learning success and GOFAI was a useless dead-end).

Most of the comments here are similarly dumb dismissals that don’t engage, and some even come across as highschool level mocking. It’s worth reading his A-Z book to at least understand why he holds his position.

Over time, the dumb responses from others make me think he’s probably more likely right than not. Given the extreme downside risks, I can understand why he argues this.

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I've used GPT-4, and while extremely impressive, it doesn't feel like we're all that much closer to super-intelligent AI than we were last month or last year. It feels like Google on steroids, but the gap between GPT-4 and AGI still feels massive. This seems like so much putting the cart way ahead of the horse.

GPT-4 and homologous are just advanced text concatenation programs based on statistics; the AI acronym in such models is just marketing.

And such marketing is highly worrying as there are people thinking about letting these kinds of statistical algorithms to make decisions that should be done by real people.

But the above doesn't rule out the possibility of people trying to develop real AI (they may even be stupid enough to use an internet connection to build the system), and this should be a worrying to add to the above one.

The above doesnt exclude neither the possibility that many of the relevant people who signed the "Pause Giant AI Experiments for at least 6 months" petition are simply trying to gain time to reach the competence; their hypocritical shamelessness about this matter is visible.

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post #174

This is ridiculous. His partner should already be having reservations seeing their daughter lose a tooth in a world with dying oceans, plastic in everything, increasing disparity and rise of authoritarianism, nuclear proliferation, etc. How are humans solving those issues? We're already dead, we just don't know it yet. We're walking around with a terminal diagnosis and we just keep ignoring the doctor's calls pretend…

When humans build a dam an ant hill might get destroyed.

Humans don’t hate ants, they just have other goals.

In the case of an unaligned superintelligent AGI those goals may be something that just happens to satisfy its reward function but is otherwise “dumb” or unintentional (like making a lot of paper clips).

Intellectual capability does not get alignment for free.

What you see in the communicated text interface and the goals/system behind it are not the same (that cartoon with the smiley face), and we don’t understand how to evaluate the underlying state.

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post #35

I feel like if I actually believed that the death of all biological life was imminent and that the only way to forestall it was to bomb data centers, I'd spend a lot more time planning how to bomb data centers and a lot less time curating Shoggoth memes on my web forum. On the other hand, if I were more concerned with self-aggrandizement, writing doomsaying thinkpieces for Time is exactly what I'd spend my time on.

If you believed that the death of all biological life was imminent and that the only way to forestall it was to bomb data centers, and you knew that there were far more data centers than you personally could bomb, what would you do?

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Am I going to get banned on HN for saying that Eliezer is a complete clown here? Because it's just surreal to read. It read more like some parody from B-tier video game than a TIME article. What is this even? I thought highly of Yudkovsky but it seems I need to reevaluate my previous impressions of him. Also I hope that "bomb the GPU clusters! Nuke them!" becomes a meme.

> Also I hope that "bomb the GPU clusters! Nuke them!" becomes a meme.

I don't think that's quite what he's saying, or at least the intended interpretation is a bit more nuanced.

It's more like... suppose you assign tiers of severity to various international policies; A-tier, B-tier, C-tier, etc. Different tiers require different enforcement mechanisms. For example, the international response to a country violating the "United Nations Declaration on Human Cloning" would be different than the international response to a country massively irradiating the atmosphere.

I think he's trying to imply that the proposed policy changes should be A-tier. It isn't a call for individual action or preemptive violence. He's describing a pre-requisite property that any adopted policy must fulfill to have a chance at being successful (according to his analysis of the situation).

On a related note, he is not saying that these policies are likely to happen or are even feasible. He's criticizing the policy proposals in the "Pause Giant AI Experiments" open letter, and describing what he thinks a real policy would have to look like.

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Wikipedia: "Yudkowsky is an autodidact and did not attend high school or college. He was raised as a Modern Orthodox Jew " My comment isn't about Yudkowsky in particular since I don't know him, but I'm getting really tired of this relatively new phenomenon in America of home schooled religious devotees attempting to impose their half-baked views on the rest of us.

I think it's fair to say that he is not an Orthodox Jew.

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This is even less realistic than asking for a moratorium on nuclear weapons research in 1945.

It's increasingly easy and cheap to train GPTs and similar models. Pretty soon anyone who can pay for GPU compute will be able to do it, if that's not the case already. Even if every country in the world agreed to ban it, it still couldn't be stopped.

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the one moment he has been waiting his entire life for. He literally waited his entire life for this moment, obviously he's gonna milk it to every drop.

"he's gonna milk it to every drop" is such an odd take. eliezer has long been concerned about AI and the risks it poses to humanity. and for just as long people have called him crazy and made hand-waving arguments for why we shouldn't be concerned. now we're in the midst of an AI arms race and we don't have any good idea how this tech works. it progresses at a truly astonishing rate, where it's become sport to find i…

> we don't have any good idea how this tech works.

Do you mean the specifics of GPT-4, or Transformers in general ?

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post #68

I've known about Eliezer Yudkowsky's ideas for a long time, but here is something I've never seen: what actually he has produced, in term of scientific output? I've read plenty of his lesswrong's writing on the idea of rationalist, as well as plenty more on the AI alignment side (obviously including the famous basilisk). But can someone please point me to some results from the last 2 decades of his works? Either from…

I asked GPT v4 your question: > What has Eliezer Yudkowsky produced, in terms of scientific output? I've read plenty of his lesswrong's writing on the idea of rationalist, as well as plenty more on the AI alignment side (obviously including the famous basilisk). Can you point me to some results from the last 2 decades of his works? Either from him or his institute. That helps to calibrate what his expectation for the…

As a long term Yudkowsky-fan, I confirm that this tallies roughly with my recollections of his serious work. I don't know how much of a hand he had in 'Logical Induction'.

It's definitely his style and his research program, but I think that (wonderful) idea was Scott Garrabrant's own.

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