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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by davchana »

AstralStorm wrote: post #95
davchana wrote: post #63

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At least few co mingled things, at the minimum mail to same address, joint tax returns, maybe some shared utilities bills, each person using their cards alternatively randomly while being together, some travel (local in city or far), some birthday anniversary stuff photos, few gifts like cards, flowers stuff, time & photos with each other's family, a detailed 4-10 pages of statement about relationship, how they met,…

You cannot do joint tax return when not recognized legally as married in the US, it's one of the benefits. And I'm not sure how marriage to a foreign national works in the US, but it might not grant this benefit. Same address (and checked by immigration official) means you already have a temporary visa. (Same address in another country does not count, easy to fake.) So they already let you in... Having paid some US b…

Any marriage, when its legal in that place/country it happened, is considered legal in US (assuming its not like under-age or bigamy or illegal stuff). When a US resident marries (& even if foreign spouse has never set a foot on US soil), IRS does allow only Married filing together or married filing separately, in both cases if no social of spouse available, you write NSA (No Social Account Number) in tax return.

People adjust (or gain) status all the time while they are here already in US on some other visa. Having a temporary visa is has no good or bad effect on getting green card. Its similar (easy or difficult) in other countries as it is in US, its not "easy" in other country(ies) to fake address if it is not easy in USA.

Pregnancy (removed from all facts, sole pregnancy) is never on its own a proof of bonafide relationship. Who is the bio father? The whole collection of proofs when seen as collective, tells the picture & intent.

USCIS & agencies has to follow a manual & policies & procedure (much of it is published on USCIS's website), & 99% of the time the officer can not intentionally bring a personal bias (exceptions apply). There are millions of cases getting passed, & a single USCIS employee does not decide a single case. Like any other big organisation, everybody is doing apart of process. & they have managers, & managers above them. Even USCIS itself is not above law, people routinely sue USCIS in federal courts to challenge their decisions (or lack of decisions).

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bombolo »

midoridensha wrote: post #100
hulitu wrote: post #99

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> Weird how the Anglophone countries take advantage of immigrants so much They are more experienced. There are not so many people who want to live in Japan.

Do the Anglophone countries want high-skill immigrants who are going to bring huge economic benefits or not? Making it difficult and expensive for them to immigrate and make new homes there is counter-productive. By contrast, Japan makes it really, really easy (and cheap) to immigrate if you have highly-valued skills and a job with a high salary. Maybe the Anglophone countries' governments are just evil and want to t…

Probably just corruption.

The fees to have a work visa in EU are very low. Under 200€. However some african people I've met told me that the european embassies only accept applications through some agencies that charge 10x as much.

I can easily imagine money is changing hands there.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by InitialLastName »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #96
AstralStorm wrote: post #93

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The answer to why is racism. The immigration rules in US are designed in a similar way to previous black voter literacy rules. A lot of leeway for the bureaucrat to reject, a lot of unnecessary burden of proof on the applicant also to make it easy to miss the deadlines and introduce a cost barrier. (No, these tests are not free.)

I don't know. As a non-US Citizen it a privilege to be in the USA. Not a right. As such they are well within their rights to only allow smart people in. Countries have sovereignty. An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe.

> An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe.

The standard for the "literacy tests" was roughly that you were exempt if your pre-1861 ancestors were allowed to vote.

Edit to add: The test questions were along the lines of "Name all of the judges in your state's circuit court" or [0]; note that both selecting the passage and judging the answers was left to the county registrar, and that it was left to their discretion whether it was necessary to administer the test to any given individual.

[0] https://www.crmvet.org/docs/550300_wcdc_vote.pdf

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by jimbob45 »

mhandley wrote: post #68
jimbob45 wrote: post #59

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Okay, but America accepts more immigrants than any other country by orders of magnitude. That’s always forgotten whenever this discussion is brought up.

Yes, but by immigrants as a fraction of population, the US doesn't score especially high. Australia, Switzerland, New Zealand, Israel, Canada, Sweden, Austria, Germany, Ireland, Belgium and Norway all have a higher fraction of the population being immigrants, amongst many more. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigrati...

I'm not really interested in total number of immigrants currently in place, rather, the immigration by year (particularly the current year). Examining that required that we analyze the choices of past administrations and pore through historical events that may have affected immigration. It's much more useful, in my opinion, to look at how the choices governments are making today are affecting their immigration numbers today.

You're not wrong that the numbers on immigration percentages are a bit skewed but that's not a debate that I find worthwhile.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by [deleted] »

InitialLastName wrote: post #103
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. As a non-US Citizen it a privilege to be in the USA. Not a right. As such they are well within their rights to only allow smart people in. Countries have sovereignty. An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe.

> An illiterate white person would have exactly the same problem as what you describe. The standard for the "literacy tests" was roughly that you were exempt if your pre-1861 ancestors were allowed to vote. Edit to add: The test questions were along the lines of "Name all of the judges in your state's circuit court" or [0]; note that both selecting the passage and judging the answers was left to the county registrar,…

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Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by pwinnski »

robertwt7 wrote: post #62
pwinnski wrote: post #14

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Have you ever tried to navigate the immigration process? I have, twice now. It's a Kafka-esque nightmare of Orwellian bureaucracy, and I wish I could think of a third famous writer to reference to finish this sentence. The first time, years ago, they "lost" a packet of information we had to reconstruct at great pains, and then had to get a second physical because they lost the report from the first one. We only found…

I did, and submitted a lot of photos (some are in the bedroom but don't feature any nudity), evidence of living together, travel plans, bank statements of joint accounts for the past few years, marriage cert, witnesses who has statutory declaration. it is time consuming, but i would never think of submitting nudes. Maybe it helps for some people, but if that's the case then the system is rigged

We hired an immigration lawyer for this most recent process, and he told me a story.

There had been a large group of people from a particular country who all attended a church together here in the US. They had affidavits and bank statements and so on, but most or all of the photos were actually group photos in which the happy couple were circled.

Somehow it all came unraveled, and it turns out that the couples weren't couples at all. They were all as a group close enough to share bank accounts and addresses and so on, but not romantically. Very, very strange, the details I was able to get, but that's another wrinkle.

I think yes, the system is rigged, but also, a lot of people want to immigrate pretty desperately. In some cases, that leads to lying about romantic relationships, and in others, apparently, going way out their way to prove they are not lying about that part!

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

steele wrote: post #91
bruceb wrote: post #89

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No where is sexual proclivities asked for. Ellis island immigration also rejected people on medical ground.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210122120744/https://www.sfchr...

Whole long article in which no where were perspective immigrants asked about their sexual behavior.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by steele »

bruceb wrote: post #107
steele wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210122120744/https://www.sfchr...

Whole long article in which no where were perspective immigrants asked about their sexual behavior.

I can't aid your comprehension. Good luck navigating life, top G.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by bruceb »

steele wrote: post #108
bruceb wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whole long article in which no where were perspective immigrants asked about their sexual behavior.

I can't aid your comprehension. Good luck navigating life, top G.

You seem not to be able to supply any content from the article you posted that directly supports your claim.

Re: Sex and the citizenship process

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Post by midoridensha »

bombolo wrote: post #102
midoridensha wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the Anglophone countries want high-skill immigrants who are going to bring huge economic benefits or not? Making it difficult and expensive for them to immigrate and make new homes there is counter-productive. By contrast, Japan makes it really, really easy (and cheap) to immigrate if you have highly-valued skills and a job with a high salary. Maybe the Anglophone countries' governments are just evil and want to t…

Probably just corruption. The fees to have a work visa in EU are very low. Under 200€. However some african people I've met told me that the european embassies only accept applications through some agencies that charge 10x as much. I can easily imagine money is changing hands there.

Wow, that seems blatantly corrupt. You shouldn't need a 3rd-party agency to submit forms to a government agency. In Japan, you just submit applications yourself. There are immigration lawyers you can use, but AFAICT they're only needed if you have some really special circumstances, or you're just too lazy (or busy) to handle the paperwork yourself. For most people, you just fill out the form, get your supporting documentation, then go wait in line at the government office for half a day.
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