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New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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I can understand how this would reduce erosion (although that benefit would seem negligible ROI vs (concrete?) wall dam engineering) but how is an undersea wall going to even partially reduce flooding, exactly?

> how is an undersea wall going to even partially reduce flooding They interfere with storm surges. The same way reefs force waves to break, dissipating their energy offshore.

I'll add to that- in addition to wave breaking from shoaling (i.e., transition to shallow depths), coral reefs and oyster beds increase bottom friction.

Surface waves are only the displacements on the surface that we see. The water column is also perturbed below the surface, and depending upon on the wavelength and amplitude, the perturbation can go down pretty far.

If you track the water particles as the waves pass by, you would see the particles traveling up and down and back and forth in orbital motions. In shallow water (relative to the wavelength), the sea bottom prevents downward motion, so the orbital motion is flattened into a back and forth motion near the bottom, and near the surface the waves increase height and break at the top.

If you have things like coral reefs or oysters (or an undersea wall), the back and forth motion is impeded, and energy from the wave is dissipated (which reduces the surface displacement).

Here's an article on experiments quantifying the energy dissipation: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/9/9/1007

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're upset the article seems to be telling us both sides of the story. What's the deal?

I find these flippant comments rather annoying where it only seems that the poster has geniusely summarized the whole article with their acute senses

> poster has geniusely summarized the whole article with their acute senses

In fact they haven't even genuinely summarised even the quote they have half-copied. Let alone the article.

> I find these flippant comments rather annoying

What I find annoying is the tendency to drag half a sentence out of context and parade it around as if that proves some point.

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're upset the article seems to be telling us both sides of the story. What's the deal?

I find these flippant comments rather annoying where it only seems that the poster has geniusely summarized the whole article with their acute senses

The poster literally copied only half the quote. The second half of the quote is “But they’re a critical part of the many different interventions that need to happen.” Does the original comment really seem accurate to you?

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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Floods and thus investment in better flood prevention will only increase in the coming decades, it will be interesting what innovative solutions that spawns. It seems like even this century-old branch of engineering still holds room for experimentation with new methods. Interesting that this particular project is run by a nonprofit. I hope it works out.

Flood prevention will become such a huge industry that everyone will have to move to coast.

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

#28

I can understand how this would reduce erosion (although that benefit would seem negligible ROI vs (concrete?) wall dam engineering) but how is an undersea wall going to even partially reduce flooding, exactly?

Maybe they should have used sponges instead :D

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So can the humble oysters really save New York City from flooding? “No, they can’t, “ says Pete Malinowski, the founder of the project...

“But they’re a critical part of the many different interventions that need to happen.”

How come probably the most important intervention, building sea walls around Manhattan et al, isn't happening?

Re: New York City is building a wall of oysters to fend off floods (2021)

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post #29
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“But they’re a critical part of the many different interventions that need to happen.”

How come probably the most important intervention, building sea walls around Manhattan et al, isn't happening?

I've long thought that eventually the SF Bay will be dammed, with locks, etc, at golden gate.
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