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Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by the_gipsy »

sokoloff wrote: post #10
Lolaccount wrote: post #4

Elon Musk: "Get back to the office, we're going to prove we're badass by going through productivity hell!" Elon Musk: "Population rates are collapsing and it's a crisis we need to address!" EIG: https://eig.org/remote-work-family-formation/ Billionaires should be banned from speaking on anything other than their areas of expertise. They get an outsized platform to spout absolute nonsense on topics outside their core…

I will defend the freedom of speech for literal Nazis, even though I don’t want to hear Nazi speech. I think it’s fair to estimate that policy is extraordinarily unlikely to be enacted in the US.

That's... not a good idea.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

Lolaccount wrote: post #4

Elon Musk: "Get back to the office, we're going to prove we're badass by going through productivity hell!" Elon Musk: "Population rates are collapsing and it's a crisis we need to address!" EIG: https://eig.org/remote-work-family-formation/ Billionaires should be banned from speaking on anything other than their areas of expertise. They get an outsized platform to spout absolute nonsense on topics outside their core…

>Billionaires should be banned from speaking on anything other than their areas of expertise.

Why draw the line at billionaires? BTW is your are of expertise to talk about Musk or what should and should not be banned?

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by isoprophlex »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #41
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said! Did you ever in that time get any pushback from an overzealous boss about going back to the office?

I've been remote since our youngest turned 1 year old due to the pandemic. I honestly can't imagine what life would have been like otherwise. The year I spent before that I was lucky to see her at all during a day. She wasn't awake before I left (except for the inevitable screaming during the night) and we kept her up late so I could feed her a bottle before she went to bed. I think it's a huge win for equality and f…

I'm kind of sad about missing so much when our first child was born. Why did I commute so much, wasting time stuck in a car? Why didn't I challenge the status quo?

Our second kid was born a month before the pandemic hit. I was there for so many beautiful moments. With #3 on the way, you can indeed wrestle WFH from my cold dead hands.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by lotsofpulp »

passwordoops wrote: post #47

This is all true, and I do feel very lucky to have a WFH arrangement, but I always think of the people who have jobs that cannot be remote - hospital, care takers, teachers (right now). Most are carried out by women, earning low wages, doing what's been termed "essential" work. There is a definite bifurcation between the (generally upper) laptop class and the (generally lower) caretaker class. I'm not sure what the s…

>I'm not sure what the solution is (shorter work weeks, flexible scheduling, etc),

Solution is more people becoming qualified to work in the “upper”, laptop class, hence decreasing supply of labor for the “lower” caretaker class, resulting in increasing prices for caretaking labor, leading to changes in caretaking labor environments such as shorter work weeks and flexible scheduling.

I.e. wealth redistribution from laptop class to caretaker class. Or automation to obviate caretaker class.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

EastSmith wrote: post #13
Lolaccount wrote: post #4

Elon Musk: "Get back to the office, we're going to prove we're badass by going through productivity hell!" Elon Musk: "Population rates are collapsing and it's a crisis we need to address!" EIG: https://eig.org/remote-work-family-formation/ Billionaires should be banned from speaking on anything other than their areas of expertise. They get an outsized platform to spout absolute nonsense on topics outside their core…

It is weird that you mention Elon Musk, but not Apple and Google, for example. These last two also push their employees to come back to the office, especially Apple. Every two months there is an article about Apple trying to bring everyone back working from an office.

Musk makes it easy to make fun of him. For best example you said Apple and Google instead of Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai - most people don't even know/remember who is the CEO of FANG companies, but Musk makes himself enough of a spectacle often enough that we all know who he is.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by flangola7 »

louison11 wrote: post #27
stuaxo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just ban them full stop. Huge amounts of people don't have enough money to participate in the economy at the same time as billionaires show themselves to be useless or worse, ban them and have a decent basic income - let's say current min wage + some %

And see all billionaires disappear to whichever country doesn't do that? The point of remote work, is that a lot of wealth is now very geographically volatile.

This is just a paraphrasing of that braindead restaurant story conservatives love to quote.

Billionaires can be stopped from taking their money elsewhere. Their bank accounts and corporate assets can be frozen or seized, and America's massive concentration of intellectual talent is unlikely to be moving out any time soon.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by sublinear »

lynx23 wrote: post #33

If the pandemic has demonstrated one thing, it is that I don't want to work in an environment where almost everyone is remote. It has become very clear that WFH workers take extra time off at random intervals during a day, and are typically hard to reach if you need to talk to them. Also, the smaller the children, the more likely it is they are subtly unavailable during work time. This is not acceptable, even though…

> are typically hard to reach if you need to talk to them

Why do you need them so highly available? Why can't you figure out what you need on your own by default without ruining the productivity of others? Encourage good documentation, ask fewer and more deliberate questions, etc.

What matters is that employees get their work done on schedule, attend and contribute what's necessary to meetings, and don't struggle to communicate well. It was never easy to get a hold of someone in the office either and you even had to waste time walking around to find out. Nothing has really changed except a lot of good for those who prefer wfh.

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by meindnoch »

passwordoops wrote: post #47

This is all true, and I do feel very lucky to have a WFH arrangement, but I always think of the people who have jobs that cannot be remote - hospital, care takers, teachers (right now). Most are carried out by women, earning low wages, doing what's been termed "essential" work. There is a definite bifurcation between the (generally upper) laptop class and the (generally lower) caretaker class. I'm not sure what the s…

Don't worry, the laptop class is on its way to become the unemployed class due to ChatGPT. Or so I was told...

Re: Early Remote Work Impacts on Family Formation

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Post by flangola7 »

lynx23 wrote: post #33

If the pandemic has demonstrated one thing, it is that I don't want to work in an environment where almost everyone is remote. It has become very clear that WFH workers take extra time off at random intervals during a day, and are typically hard to reach if you need to talk to them. Also, the smaller the children, the more likely it is they are subtly unavailable during work time. This is not acceptable, even though…

The thing that's not acceptable is micromanaging bosses and the attitude that business is more important than family.
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