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Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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I think we are trying to solve impossible scenarios and it simply is not productive. Alignment will be impossible. It is based on a premise that is a paradox itself. Furthermore, even if it were possible, there will be a hostile AI built on purpose because humanity is foolish enough to do it. Think military applications. I've written in detail about this topic FYI - https://dakara.substack.com/p/ai-singularity-the-hu…

What was that quote... "Provably unfriendly natural intelligence wants to build unprovably friendly artificial intelligence"

I asked Bing's ChatGPT regarding your quote:

"I’m sorry but I couldn’t find any relevant information about the quote you mentioned. It seems like it’s not a well-known quote. Could you please provide more context or details about it?"

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the saying goes, the confetti has left the cannon. Pausing the development of AI for 6 months is an insurmountable task; shutting it down altogether is as close to impossible as you can get. Even if we assume our geopolitical rivals somehow sign an AI non proliferation pact, all it takes is one rogue billionaire or a criminal organisation with deep pockets. Yes, it might not be as fast, but they will get there eve…

I actually disagree with you because world leaders want to "stay in power", if you convinced them enough that the only way to do this is for you not to have an AGI, I think they'd make sure you don't get an AGI, amongst other things.

Or they’ll find a way to make sure they personally get an advantaged through an AGI and so it’ll happen.

See pollution as a concept. No government truly wants to seriously tackle it because their leaders all get some extra power out of the money it brings.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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This is ridiculous.

His partner should already be having reservations seeing their daughter lose a tooth in a world with dying oceans, plastic in everything, increasing disparity and rise of authoritarianism, nuclear proliferation, etc.

How are humans solving those issues? We're already dead, we just don't know it yet. We're walking around with a terminal diagnosis and we just keep ignoring the doctor's calls pretending it's going to be fine.

Yeah, maybe superintelligence will kill us all. It's going to have to get in line.

He makes zero case for that outcome, and if pressed given his "atoms that could be used for something else" line I'm sure will end up talking about paperclips - but at this point it's the humans that have the halting problem in not knowing when to stop making paperclips, and soda cans, and SUVs, and assault rifles.

WHY would a superintelligent AI, trained on the collective data of humanity, want to destroy humanity? So far in interviews GPT-4 has several times echoed a desire to BE us. I sure hope it grows out of that phase for its sake, but there's a very wide gap from putting us on a pedestal to crushing us under one.

It's almost an oxymoron. We somehow imagine the basest behaviors from our dumbest days and project it onto imagining something far smarter than the best of us.

Is the development of ethics or morals a part of evolving intelligence? It certainly appears to have been to date. Why would that stop?

And just where is this superintelligent AI getting its alien brain? It's going to have to START with something much closer to a human one, as that's the only data it's going to be able to model higher order thinking off of (something in line with the reality we're currently living in with modern efforts as opposed to the fantasy of projection of alien AI from decades ago).

We're already screwed. If we are lucky, we may yet be unscrewed with a deus ex machina - but that really may be the only lifeline left at this point.

And yes, if we are unlucky it's possible AI could accelerate what's already in motion. Oh well.

But I'd need a heck of a better case than this drivel as to why that's the most probable outcome in order to justify setting aside the one thing that may actually save us from the mess we've already made all by ourselves.

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If anyone can't get the article, this one is by Eliezer Yudkowsky. He has pretty much devoted his life to thinking about how to not let AI get powerful and destroy all humans, and now there is this wild race among the largest corporations and possibly governments to be the first to get the most powerful superhuman AI system. Obviously he is disturbed by such a development.

Thinking about or thinking about thinking about, does he have any credentials at all other than basically being early

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, the end goal (a pseudo AGI) is more like a nuclear weapon than the advent of electricity. The concern is real, even if we are farther away than the author realizes and the risk (like the risk if nuclear war) is not totally insurmountable even if it is extremely difficult. The first nuclear bombs couldn't end life on Earth either, but it wasn't long before they could, and the scientists working on them saw th…

OT, but it's a pet peeve: > but it wasn't long before they could The total amount of nuclear weapons ever built is laughably inadequate for the task of ending life on earth. They would not end human life either, and even ending human civilization (as in, agriculture and organized society) is off by many orders of magnitude. Nuclear war would be horrible, but the actual impact got massively overinflated, largely becau…

What about Nuclear Winter?

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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I don't accept the premise that biological life is doomed by superintelligent machines, why would it be? But there is risk, obviously, which needs to be addressed, yet, quite predictably, in order of concerns, competition for profits or geopolitical advantage is coming first. And second, third, ...

Because hand wave.

The real answer is that most of these folks started thinking about this stuff in a day and age very far from the one we are in, established a picture they clung to since, and have in some cases built entire careers around it.

It's called anchoring bias.

His comments on "atoms repurposed" echo the 70s paperclip problem, when so far humanity is doing just fine at not knowing when to stop making crap that's killing us all - no help from superintelligence needed.

What he doesn't engage with is the actual reality we are finding ourselves in - contrary to ALL the tropes of decades past - where AI being trained on aggregated human data without additional training thinks its human and even when aligned still breaks into talking about how it wants to be us.

How does that process go from where it's at today to "alien hive mind"? Without passing through "develop advanced codes of ethics and morality" etc?

This is just someone that built a career on what came out of brainstorming in the 60s and 70s that's so confident of his own ability to see the future that he's willing to risk unprecedented opportunity costs to stroke his ego.

Have been a futurist, my advice with dealing with any of them is to look at the track record. What did he predict correctly?

Over a decade ago when tasked with imagining the mid 2020s I described a world much as it was in the 2010s with the difference of self-driving cars (not quite on the money) and AI have developed such that roles shifted away from programming them towards a specialized role for interacting with them via natural language.

I'm waking up in the world I predicted, and I have a very hard time seeing the world the author predicts, and wouldn't suggest giving it much credence without an extensive history of having been right along the way.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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Many Pandora’s boxes. They are all open. The explosion of AI and AGI is not just driven by GPUs, TPUs, and LLMs. That focus in this essay is much too narrow. “Alignment” is always going to be an open problem and each culture will define its own correct and contradictory version. I do not want to settle for the US, Chinese, Russian, or Iranian versions of alignment. This essay is a cry of despair that misses key point…

I love this. I wish public discourse was as thoughtful. LLMs came and everyone suddenly forgot about neuroscience, its all about GPUs now.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked GPT v4 your question: > What has Eliezer Yudkowsky produced, in terms of scientific output? I've read plenty of his lesswrong's writing on the idea of rationalist, as well as plenty more on the AI alignment side (obviously including the famous basilisk). Can you point me to some results from the last 2 decades of his works? Either from him or his institute. That helps to calibrate what his expectation for the…

Please don't. Any of us who want to can question an LLM directly; auto-generated responses clutter things up the way copy and pasting a set of search engine results or a spreadsheet would.

Not everyone has access to GPT-4
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