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Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

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>If intelligence says that a country outside the agreement is building a GPU cluster, be less scared of a shooting conflict between nations than of the moratorium being violated; be willing to destroy a rogue datacenter by airstrike. I highly suspect if the US government would airstrike a datacenter located in NATO or any other major allies. Apocalypticism is nothing new; People believed that nuclear weapons will des…

Nuclear weapons haven't even been around for a century yet and we've already had multiple extremely close calls that were adverted by sheer luck, in one case a Russian officer openly disobeying standing orders. The Russian invasion of Ukraine still has a non-trival risk it will eventually turn nuclear. Looking at nukes and trying to use them as an example of our ability to control existentially dangerous technology i…

Myopic or not, it is what happened. You can't stop sovereign state's willingness to develop a technology if they concluded that benefits coming from the technology is so huge compared to the cost. North Korea was sanctioned to the oblivion but they're not stopping. India is doing fine.

There is a treaty completely banning existing nuclear weapons as well as developing new one (TPNW); but none of permenant member of UNSC ratified it. Would the U.S. itself ratify the hypothetical AI-prohibition treaty? I doubt it.

P.S.: The AGI being "existential threat" practically doesn't mean anything. I can already imagine arguments against the ban from diverse perspective; Libertarian, Communist ("Marx predicted this centuries ago!"), Socialist, Developmentalist, Decolonization theoriest, etc. Taiwan and South Korea will argue that it will remove their silicon shield; China will regurgitate that they have the right to development; Americans will claim it's not what founding fathers thought in late 18th century. Their concerns are all existential from their own viewpoint.

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#102
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because everything is on the line does not mean it is okay to kill people. Please try to ask yourself what you would do if you were an ethical person who thought human extinction was imminent.

>Just because everything is on the line does not mean it is okay to kill people Why?

Oops, I misread the original context, to be clear I think that state-managed violence is okay for things around nukes and AI and so on. I was referring to individual acts of terrorism which seem not okay to me (in part because they seem not that likely to help).

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#103

> "If somebody builds a too-powerful AI, under present conditions, I expect that every single member of the human species and all biological life on Earth dies shortly thereafter." > "There’s no proposed plan for how we could do any such thing and survive. OpenAI’s openly declared intention is to make some future AI do our AI alignment homework. Just hearing that this is the plan ought to be enough to get any sensibl…

Your take on this gives me some hope. We don't have a lot of time, but that fact is becoming clear very quickly, hopefully to the right people. And it is a deadly threat to everyone, rich or poor -- not something like climate change that rich and powerful can buy their way out of, and therefore afford to ignore.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#104
Hey, you can't even shut down nuclear arsenal. Bad writing is worse than no writing. Or this is some nefarious capitalist propaganda? YES Ai should replace lawyers and bankers and engineers too. Basically all rent seekers should be replaced. Proles have been getting replaced by machines the whole time. It's fun. You should join us.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#105

The cat is out of the box. You really think eg China will also pause this? Myopic thinking: the country that will have the most powerful AI first will be the leader in everything. >> If the policy starts with the U.S., then China needs to see that the U.S. is not seeking an advantage but rather trying to prevent a horrifically dangerous technology which can have no true owner and which will kill everyone in the U.S.…

China will NEVER pause this. They [Chinese government] see the US as a rival and an existential threat to their way of life.

In fact, every time we post an open-source derivative or some paper detailing how it was done, we are inadvertently giving the advantage away to our rivals. AI development should not be stopped - rather than stopping it, we should seek to limit its applications now before they are used for the things that could harm us (such as military applications).

AI has enormous potential to be of a massive benefit to mankind. But, most likely for the next decade or two - we will all be busy trying to make money off it, just like with the crypto bros.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#106
post #42

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These types of arguments-- "if you actually believed X, you'd be doing Y"-- always ring false to me. If you genuinely believed that the death of all biological life was imminent and the only way to forestall it was to bomb data centers and you were a normal, functional human being who did not want to bomb data centers, you'd probably sink into hopeless depression. Which is, in fact, exactly what Eliezer has done - if…

I think if I seriously thought all biological life was about to be destroyed, I could get over my distaste for bombing data centers.

It's blatantly self-serving for you to decide that "if someone really believed X, they would do Y". All it does is justify your belief that no one actually believes X. You should really avoid these kinds of unfalsifiable thought patterns that only serve to reenforce your pre-existing beliefs.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#107
Well, he’s right about one thing:

> On Feb. 7, Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, publicly gloated that the new Bing would make Google “come out and show that they can dance.” “I want people to know that we made them dance,” he said.

> This is not how the CEO of Microsoft talks in a sane world.

Certainly this is not the kind of childish priorities the leader of a company as powerful as Microsoft should have.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#109
post #82

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This is the one moment he has been waiting his entire life for. He literally waited his entire life for this moment, obviously he's gonna milk it to every drop.

"he's gonna milk it to every drop" is such an odd take. eliezer has long been concerned about AI and the risks it poses to humanity. and for just as long people have called him crazy and made hand-waving arguments for why we shouldn't be concerned. now we're in the midst of an AI arms race and we don't have any good idea how this tech works. it progresses at a truly astonishing rate, where it's become sport to find i…

> It's become sport to find instances of people saying "AI will never be capable of X" and showing them the latest AI doing X with ease.

Interesting, I've not seen that many educated in technology make that claim that it will never, just that people are surprised that the folks leading this, Microsoft and Google, have a track record of turning their consumer facing products to advertised junk.

Re: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut It All Down

#110
post #19

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This is the one moment he has been waiting his entire life for. He literally waited his entire life for this moment, obviously he's gonna milk it to every drop.

Self-aggrandizement isn't anything foreign to Eliezer, but he's genuinely terrified. Milking it for every drop doesn't really capture what he's doing.

- AGI is here we're all gonna die

- ΞLIΞZΞR CHILL OUT

- They will destroy us all

- I'M NOT GOING TO DO THΛT

- This may be my last message before they get me

- I'M JUST NOT THΛT INTO YOU

- AAAAAAH

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