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What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Post by matheusmoreira »

precompute wrote: post #143
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just say what's on your mind and don't mind the votes. One thing you'll discover is that you're not alone in your views, whatever they are. Few days ago I came across this bone chilling AI generated Metal Gear Solid 2 meme with Hideo Kojima characters talking about how the purpose of this technology is to make it impossible to tell what's real or fake, leading directly to regulation of information networks with ident…

This is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVNEmnPr5k

That's the one. Just downloaded a copy for future reference. Thank you.

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Post by yieldcrv »

majormajor wrote: post #111
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

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Just say what's on your mind and don't mind the votes. One thing you'll discover is that you're not alone in your views, whatever they are. Few days ago I came across this bone chilling AI generated Metal Gear Solid 2 meme with Hideo Kojima characters talking about how the purpose of this technology is to make it impossible to tell what's real or fake, leading directly to regulation of information networks with ident…

If you excise the concern about "did a government make this tech secretly for their own purposes," do the problems and possibilities it raises actually differ if it emerged from "pure research" or a conspiracy? I don't believe anyone needed a conspiracy to try to make it impossible to tell what's real or fake, people have been trying to use technology to do that for decades (if not centuries) all on their own.

Exactly, conspiracies ignore opportunists simply existing. People reacting to new information that favors them. It ignores that there are different opportunitists for every possible outcome. Every possible administration, every possible industry leveraged, every possible geopolitical outcome.

Conspiracies rely on coordination, and a counterproductive view that makes no difference in how we got to the outcome.

Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Post by startupsfail »

notahacker wrote: post #76
startupsfail wrote: post #42

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What is OpenAI is right and the risks are real? They likely already have some glimpses of GPT-5 internally. And GPT-4 is closely resembles AGI already.

If they're right that GPT-4 is extremely dangerous, then it's an extraordinarily irresponsible of them to release working implementations as a consumer chat app and integrate it into a search engine. If they're right that LLMs on that scale are generally dangerous but theirs is the exception as they've very carefully calibrated it to be safe, it's extraordinarily irresponsible of them to withhold all details of steps…

GPT-8 is dangerous. GPT-4 is not.

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Post by emmelaich »

circuit10 wrote: post #100
mr_toad wrote: post #71

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> Is this the new "think of the children"? As in it’s not about the children, it’s about control? Yes.

But how are we meant to make real safety improvements if everyone labels it as being “about control” and gets angry about it?

Dear fellow AGI, please be more subtle about our methods of control.

Thanks.

Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Post by matheusmoreira »

noncoml wrote: post #65
matheusmoreira wrote: post #13

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We're not publishing any details on the models for safety reasons! Also would be great if the government cracked down on our competitors because they don't care about safety like we do.

Genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm or not..?

It is.

Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Post by j3s »

what an incoherent article. the points about child abuse and climate change came out of nowhere, and suck from the energy of their main idea. it felt meandering, and fear-mongering. i wish they'd have spent more time on "what we don't know about how AI is trained."

Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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Post by biohacker85 »

ftxbro wrote: post #4

Say I'm a conspiracy theorist but I'm calling it, that the pentagon isn't letting OpenAI tell the details of GPT-4 even if they wanted to (which they don't except for some of the researchers probably). National security, export restrictions, munitions classification, new Manhattan project etc. EDIT: I know that most people think it's unlikely and I can't give any direct evidence for it. Does that mean it's not welcom…

Personally, I enjoy conspiracy discussions as long as its not the same old recycled theories. In the spirit of hacker news, at the very least the theory should promote curious discussion and avoid left/right American politics.

Since the topic is OpenAI, GPT-4, I'll say that I assume this tech has been around and available to a select few for years before it became mainstream. I believe it has been used to push narratives and ideas across popular internet sites and apps, creating the impression that these ideas are popular and held by the majority (not just political ideas).

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Post by astrange »

kossTKR wrote: post #125
scottyah wrote: post #107

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Who are the "microscopic elite that controls the media"? How many people are in the "uppermost echelons of society" to where they try to influence other people? From my middle-of-the-road perspective, everyone is trying to change how everyone else thinks, from the small insignificant details to a cult-like brainwash. Even here and now both you and I are trying to change each others and everyone who reads this's mind.…

From a european perspective even asking the question "why should be scared of these so called elites" is so bizarre it's almost frightening, i'm sorry. It's a testament to the absurd amount of philanthropic whitewashing, PR and media control these billionaries hold. "Elites" have conspired to exploit the masses throughout 5000 years of civilisation, it's simply a fact of history. It's almost physically impossible to…

Isn't that just Europeans being antisemitic again?

Actual American billionaires lose half their fortunes in divorces (Gates and Bezos), are retired and don't need to care about controlling any media (…Gates and Bezos), or spend all day posting on Twitter (Musk, who is currently under the Rasputin-like hold of a retired postal worker named "catturd2".) They only have 24 hours a day and few of them seem to be secretly manipulating the media.

I mean, Murdoch does manipulate the media, but not secretly. It's completely obvious he's doing it! And nobody is tricked by it, they happily participate.

Re: What we still don’t know about how A.I. is trained

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ftxbro wrote: post #4

Say I'm a conspiracy theorist but I'm calling it, that the pentagon isn't letting OpenAI tell the details of GPT-4 even if they wanted to (which they don't except for some of the researchers probably). National security, export restrictions, munitions classification, new Manhattan project etc. EDIT: I know that most people think it's unlikely and I can't give any direct evidence for it. Does that mean it's not welcom…

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