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The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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why? If a politician votes for a law that reduces the speed limit to 50mph then is caught speeding is that corruption? I think corruption is when someone abuses their position of power. This isn't abuse they just violated their own rules.

It's corruption because they know they won't be punished. If more laws were objective (like speeding) and politicians were as surveilled as everyone else it wouldn't be an issue.

You're misusing the word objective and corruption is an abuse of power not hypocrisy.

Also speeding is a bad example since the cops let people off all the time

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

#422

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It's corruption because they know they won't be punished. If more laws were objective (like speeding) and politicians were as surveilled as everyone else it wouldn't be an issue.

You're misusing the word objective and corruption is an abuse of power not hypocrisy. Also speeding is a bad example since the cops let people off all the time

It is an abuse of power when they support laws they know they won't be charged with even if caught. The hypocrisy is also annoying, but not the main problem.

> Also speeding is a bad example since the cops let people off all the time

That's why I said "and surveilled".

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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> Isn't it dangerous to have trans men – many of whom will have testosterone running through their systems – in vulnerable women's spaces? To be fair to the OP, I don't think there exists a history of abuse of females from trans men, which strengthens their allegation that the underlying sex might be an important factor to consider in these scenarios. The sex hormones alone maybe just aren't a factor. It's likely not…

> which strengthens their allegation that the underlying sex might be an important factor to consider in these scenarios. "Underlying sex" isn't a particularly coherent concept to begin with. By what potential mechanism could "underlying sex" influence behaviour, other than hormonally? Lacking an answer to this question doesn't mean we should rule out the possibility while investigating , but we shouldn't take too mu…

> "Underlying sex" isn't a particularly coherent concept to begin with. By what potential mechanism could "underlying sex" influence behaviour, other than hormonally?

By that argument, trans people shouldn't exist because they have the hormonal profile of their birth sex, therefore they shouldn't exhibit observable behavioural differences.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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It's not too early to judge, it's going badly right now, that's clear.

Oh, it's clear ? Why did nobody tell me. I take it back then. I am glad to hear a complex evolving geopolitical situation can be easily reducted to a simple judgement like that. It's a relief.

It's clear it's going badly now yes. That's obvious. What you're confusing is the situation now with the situation in the future. I wish I could say it's an easy mistake to make, but it's not. Maybe you can plausibly argue that Brexit will be a success one day in the future, but you absolutely cannot argue that it's a success right now. That would not be serious.

Re: The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic societies

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> which strengthens their allegation that the underlying sex might be an important factor to consider in these scenarios. "Underlying sex" isn't a particularly coherent concept to begin with. By what potential mechanism could "underlying sex" influence behaviour, other than hormonally? Lacking an answer to this question doesn't mean we should rule out the possibility while investigating , but we shouldn't take too mu…

> "Underlying sex" isn't a particularly coherent concept to begin with. By what potential mechanism could "underlying sex" influence behaviour, other than hormonally? By that argument, trans people shouldn't exist because they have the hormonal profile of their birth sex, therefore they shouldn't exhibit observable behavioural differences.

Most trans people are not intersex.
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