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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

9dev wrote: post #132
zpeti wrote: post #129

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I'm sorry but Italy produces some of my favourite foods, I find it ridiculous to call this a doomed industry. Italy has basically developed some of the best foods for humanity through hundreds of years of craftsmanship, from parmesan to mozarella to pasta, or crudo ham. If anything this should be protected just from a heritage perspective, like you protect an ancient castle or temple. This might mean that food is mor…

> We don't have to burn everything good and old to the ground to make way for tech bros of HN creating fake meat. No. But maybe we can become a species smart enough to avoid the suffering of other beings just for the joy of eating something that tastes nice.

I'll think about that over my steak & eggs breakfast tomorrow. I thought about it over bacon this morning, but it seems almost too dumb an idea to give more than a passing thought. In the spirit of considering the opposing viewpoint, I will add a healthy amount of sausage gravy to my breakfast on the following day during contemplation, however I make no promises that my conclusions will skew in favor of seasoned insect guts and purple mystery slime patties for breakfast.

I will add that if it were not for consuming animal proteins (real meat), our species would not have survived as long as it has. Clearly, you know what is best for everyone, so while I sink my natural incisors into the steak, I will carefully consider your emotional, unscientific, and agenda-driven propaganda and petty attempt at control over the lives of others. Again, no promises.

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

3np wrote: post #404
xdennis wrote: post #319

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Food is tasty and no amount of your religious preaching is going to change that.

Equally arguable: Rape feels good and no amount of preaching is changing that. Has similarly been part of human culture for time immemorial. I still consider it desirable to reduce the amount of rape to 0, regardless of how important it might feel to rapists.

Rape feels good for the victim? I was always under the impression that rape is a horrible, terrible, painful, and humiliating atrocity. I've never been a democrat, so maybe that's why I don't have a favorable view of rape and think is feels good for the victim.

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Post by Gud »

prottog wrote: post #403
Gud wrote: post #370

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then how do you explain Switzerland, where people vote on referendums every quarter? What the world needs is more power to the people, not less. Populist movements only grow because the insulated ruling class don't listen to the people(and often don't give a shit).

Switzerland is very much an exception to the rule, and even it has a written constitution limiting the government's power. "More power to the people" works when operating within a culture that values attributes that lead to a stable, wealthy society over time, and with limits to what the people can make government do. Otherwise it becomes, as they say, two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. The Swiss…

Regarding your question. I would believe the citizens would roll back disastrous legislation much faster than a cabal of powerful people who have staked their career on whatever the issue. I believe Switzerland is so successful as a direct result of their decentralized & direct democracy.

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Post by beepbooptheory »

yamtaddle wrote: post #401
beepbooptheory wrote: post #380

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So, just to be clear, if you are in some random place in the united states, the energy you will use to charge your car's battery is most likely to come from renewable energy like solar, wind, geothermal, and very unlikely to come from oil/gasoline, natural gas, or coal? And I should, in fact, feel stupid because this is an extremely apparent/obvious fact to actually smart people?

> So, just to be clear, if you are in some random place in the united states, the energy you will use to charge your car's battery is most likely to come from renewable energy like solar, wind, geothermal, and very unlikely to come from oil/gasoline, natural gas, or coal? Nobody in this chain of comments was concerned with most of this, so it hardly matters (to the discussion at hand) what I answer, or cite, or whate…

Ah! I see, I guess I read the original comment wrong. I read "oil and gas" too broadly, and as such I was off topic in my reply. I knew, that e.g., natural gas is used for energy extensively in the U.S., but I guess that wasn't the "gas" they were talking about. And either way, like you say, I would be wrong.

And further to your point (or maybe, reading between the lines of your point): its not like there is just one or two big nonrenewable energy companies that do petroleum, and coal, and natural gas, etc. We must understand how those are all competing for profits! And that while EVs might use coal, it doesn't mean their existence wont hurt the petroleum companies. Got it, and thank you :)

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Post by 3np »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #412
3np wrote: post #404

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Equally arguable: Rape feels good and no amount of preaching is changing that. Has similarly been part of human culture for time immemorial. I still consider it desirable to reduce the amount of rape to 0, regardless of how important it might feel to rapists.

Rape feels good for the victim? I was always under the impression that rape is a horrible, terrible, painful, and humiliating atrocity. I've never been a democrat, so maybe that's why I don't have a favorable view of rape and think is feels good for the victim.

So that's where you end up following that line of thought huh

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Post by carlmr »

unixgoddess wrote: post #410
withinboredom wrote: post #381

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> are there really hours worth of travel in the netherlands? By car, yeah. By bike? You're crazy -- but totally doable. If you wanted to hit all the major population centers (Maastricht, Nijmegen, Enschede, Groningen, Amsterdam, Den Hague, Rotterdam, Utrecht, Eindhoven), you'd be driving for about 10-12 hours ... with lots of boring farmland in between.

I underestimated its size... thought it was much smaller

Maastricht to Groningen is only about 3h20 by car. That's the longest distance I could find between two cities.

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Post by stcroixx »

mschuster91 wrote: post #378
stcroixx wrote: post #353

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Quite a few places you would never even be able to even reach in a reasonable amount of time via bus/bike/walk. Would be like the part of the world accessible to you just radically shrank overnight.

Counterpoint: decent public transport could eliminate this - and make even more places actually reachable, as you don't have to take care of making breaks to not fall asleep on the wheel, refueling stops, or having to search (and pay for) parking spots.

But it depends on volume to make sense. If I want to be deep in a national forest somewhere with the intention of getting away from people and bring my horses, public transport just won't do it. With my own vehicle, that's not a problem. I love public transportation in places where it works and have used it a lot in the past, but I could never limit myself to it or totally depend on it - too many places it could never go. Freedom of having your own vehicle really is unparalleled.

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Post by withinboredom »

carlmr wrote: post #416
unixgoddess wrote: post #410

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I underestimated its size... thought it was much smaller

Maastricht to Groningen is only about 3h20 by car. That's the longest distance I could find between two cities.

There's a good portion on the Autobahn in Germany on that route, so yeah, it would be a pretty short drive.

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Post by goldfeld »

samtho wrote: post #253
goldfeld wrote: post #235

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> Yes, just as ridiculous as anyone who would have been against the 80s push to take fat out of dairy and pour in the lab sugar! > Why not stuff our stomachs with even more lab stuff? Why not, in any case reducing actual meat consumptions is an atrocious regulatory suggestion, the robofairrmingoverlords can do whatever with the urban sheep in america. Your argument is nothing more than the Naturalistic Fallacy. In a…

I realize my tone was a bit offensive, but yes I am a naturalist by any meaning of that word. In fact if you knew me you'd call me a complete utter quack, so misaligned are my views with mainstream tech worldviews. What I know about GMOs is that the GMO variety of bananas here (the natural base called Prata, the GMO I don't remember) is tasteless and has awful texture compared to its base species, which is delicious and creamy.

Avocados the same, I don't know if GMO but the selection breeds in supermarkets, local or imported, cannot compare to the weird little avocados which only grow on my father's ranch during autumn (now). They are superior to every type I bought except those from an organic shop I got once, but they don't show when they ripen, they do not go soft. the skin just blackens and cracks finally when it is all but rotten. How could supermarkets educate a public to know how to buy these anyway, but it stands that they are much more creamy and tasty.

I love vaccines and I am not a flatearther or right wing conspiracist, I love all good worthy science anyhow.

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Post by arlort »

fnmron wrote: post #167
arlort wrote: post #164

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One of the EU pillars is free movement of goods, meaning that you generally can't prevent someone from a different country from selling goods in your country. This means that the decree is either incompatible with EU law, or it is pointless as you'd just be killing your own domestic market while exposing yourself to other EU countries anyway GP's mistake was assuming that this isn't pure virtue signalling, the decree…

So if netherlands legalizes marijuana then Greece can't outlaw it because EU law? Seems pretty absurd! States have the right to set standards on the market regardless of Brussels.

If you notice part of my comment was "generally"

Drugs tend to be an exception to most things

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