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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrguyorama »

nemo44x wrote: post #64
AlecSchueler wrote: post #27

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Could you explain your reasoning? The unnatural food product stickers sounds like a health warning but for what? I already buy stuff like oat milk and it never bothered me that it's not actually milk. Same with plant based butters etc

Well, it’s unnatural to begin with. Other good movements like “organic” worked hard for that label and the producers of those products work hard. I don’t believe oat milk should be allowed to use the word “milk” and if it wants to then should be prefaced with words describing it as “imitation milk” or similar.

The "organic" label is often meaningless, and a marketing gimic, and organic food producers are worse for the environment, and there are no health benefits to most organic food.

I'm not a fan of nut milk being called milk, because I enjoy meaningful categories and strict categorization, but nut milk has been called nut milk for literal centuries.

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Post by stametseater »

freilanzer wrote: post #185
stametseater wrote: post #163

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Ah yes, the scheming, devious vegan agenda of animal rights.

Yes. Italy's culinary reputation, joined at the hip to their tourism industry, is worth far more to Italy than that crap.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by stametseater »

9dev wrote: post #214
stametseater wrote: post #163

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Yeah. I always forget that billions of animals suffering is somehow okay if it's about reputation or tasty food. My bad.

> billions of animals suffering is somehow okay if it's about reputation or tasty food.

Billions of humans concur, including an overwhelming majority of Italians. But since when have progressive reformers cared about democracy? You want to impose your ideology on everybody else, even though you don't have popular support. If you did have popular support, the issue would be settled already in your favor, but you don't and so it won't be.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrguyorama »

orangepurple wrote: post #268
9dev wrote: post #63

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This whole insect flour debate is so braindead. We have billions of people to feed. Dried and shredded insects provide a great protein yield, can be produced incredibly efficient, and aren’t as destructive to the planet as lifestock. Many cultures have been consuming insects for ages. There is nothing unsafe, unnatural, or otherwise „bad“ about using insects for food - other than an embarrassing, unreflective revulsi…

> We have billions of people to feed. I was not aware that you have billions of people to feed.

If you do not want to be part of the greater community of the whole of earth, you are welcome to leave. I hear there is a guy trying to live on Mars instead.

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Post by pfdietz »

mrguyorama wrote: post #386
pfdietz wrote: post #29

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GMO banning is another example of protectionism masquerading as something else. The demonization of Monsanto is diagnostic of the derangement/dishonesty.

GMOs are awesome but monsanto is still a garbage company, just for literally everything else they do that isn't food and plant science. I also think patents on plants and seeds are morally wrong and unjustified so that is an input to my opinion.

Can you give some examples of what Monsanto does that makes it such a "shit company"?

I totally reject your opinion on plant/seed patents. They're necessary to have GMOs at all in a market economy, and GMOs have tremendous potential for positive contribution to our society.

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Post by mrguyorama »

9dev wrote: post #335
ihateyouall123 wrote: post #309

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You are delusionally ignoring that the issue is with calling blended animal protein a flour.

While you are conveniently ignoring that lots of things are called flour that aren't necessarily wheat flour, but nobody bats an eye. For that matter, nobody ever suggested replacing wheat flour with insect flour because it has none of the properties required for baking stuff, but rationality was never really relevant on that topic...

What are you actually supposed to use insect flour for anyway? What's the point?

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Post by pfdietz »

mrguyorama wrote: post #388
pfdietz wrote: post #333

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I'm being the opposite of antisemitic. Perhaps you could cry "Godwin" and make sense.

Comparing people being fooled by propaganda to "Blood libel" is atrocious and just as stupid, hollow, and heartless as the american conservatives who said not being able to get a haircut during the pandemic was comparable to the holocaust. Get a fucking break man. You can educate people that GMOs aren't on their own a danger and that there is a lot of misinformation about these things without being a miserable asshol…

It's two groups of people fooled into demonization for political purposes. And in each case, there is significant harm as a result. I will grant the Holocaust was likely a larger harm, but don't dismiss the harm caused by GMO negativity (which is inextricably bound to Monsanto demonization). Golden Rice blockage alone is arguably an act of genocide.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrguyorama »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #94
9dev wrote: post #63

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This whole insect flour debate is so braindead. We have billions of people to feed. Dried and shredded insects provide a great protein yield, can be produced incredibly efficient, and aren’t as destructive to the planet as lifestock. Many cultures have been consuming insects for ages. There is nothing unsafe, unnatural, or otherwise „bad“ about using insects for food - other than an embarrassing, unreflective revulsi…

This isn't true. There are valid health concerns of insect based "meat" and insect derived flour. Including: higher baseline contamination of harmful bacteria, high levels of arsenic, questionable nutritional value, digestive issues with the hardshells common to the types of insects used for these products.

What does that have to do with whether it should legally be called "Flour" or not? Nobody here is arguing that you should replace your preferred baking and thickening substance with it.

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Post by itsokimbatman »

xdennis wrote: post #330
__void wrote: post #232

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> But shouldn’t be called “flour”. It’s not. the definition of flour is "ground substances," see also bone flour, fossilized flour, stone flour...

You know very well that the purpose of calling it "insect flour" is to mislead and to normalize it. Nobody cares about "stone flour" etc because it not sold as flour on a shelf next to real flour. It's not intended to mislead.

How is “insect flour” misleading? The word “insect” is right there in the name! And who cares if it’s normalized or not? If it’s useful and makes healthy, delicious food, I don’t care what it’s made out of.

Like… you do realize the parts of animals we eat are pretty gross right? The things that go into sausages and such? Bone marrow is a delicacy for gods sake!

There’s foods that I think are gross and won’t eat… calimari for instance… but they usually come down to sensory things like taste, texture or smell. The ingredients don’t usually come into play.

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Post by somenameforme »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #360
somenameforme wrote: post #352

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Nearly all (if not literally all) of the dystopic sounding stuff being pitched as the way of the future is coming from the World Economic Forum [1]. 'Eat the bugs', "Lockdowns are quietly improving cities around the world", "You will own nothing, and be happy", are some of the more visible positions/slogans put out by the WEF. It's primarily made up of a global 'alliance' of the ultra-rich, politicians, large multina…

Oh good, we have our WEF boogie men, who I guess the Italian government is currently taunting. I expect they'll experience some comeuppance from the WEF? Or is this one of those "the enemy is both powerful and weak" situations where the WEF has incredible promised power, but still seems utterly ineffective? The same shadowy forces can easily change the definition of what constitutes lab grown meat, circumventing the…

The WEF messaging is not a secret, neither is their membership list (at least for corporations). They're pushing for lab meat hard. [1] And that sample is just a fragment of what's out there. Just do a quick search for something like "site:weforum.org lab grown meat". And so this really changes this issue. For instance, in America Kroger is not only the largest grocery chain but also affiliated with the WEF [2].

So if you're an American farmer, you should expect Kroger (among other WEF affiliated businesses) to treat lab meat in an unfairly preferential way. Even if you would feel comfortable competing against lab meat on a "level" playing field, this changes the game, and creates a much bigger motivation for things exactly like what's happening in Italy right now.

[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/will-we-eat-lab-grown...

[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/06/you-will-be-eating-re...

[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/how-a-new-approach-to...

[2] https://www.weforum.org/organizations/kroger

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