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AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by GabeWeiss_ »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #19
GabeWeiss_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not an emulator. It's fully AlloyDB...in a container. We'll be working moving forward to smooth out the install process (tech preview, focus was on getting it in y'alls hands). In my mind, it's a proper Postgres drop-in replacement (Yes, of course I'm biased because I work at Google) but the tech is legit.

I’ve gotta say without unambiguous and long term unencumbered licensing, preferably with open source attached, I can’t foresee recommending any place I’ve got influence at to even look at it yet. Hopefully you can push them in a direction that is plausibly usable by anyone other than hobbyists. Even as a local dev tool it leaves too many holes open in the licensing and distribution model. Letting a team build a proce…

100% hear you. I realize this may sound hollow coming from a Google employee, but stay tuned on specifics around licensing and costs. Being a tech preview, there's been virtually no discussion on specifics yet. We just wanted to get the tech in folks' hands. We're pushing hard for a free tier of usage (and the product team isn't pushing back currently).

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by evntdrvn »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #3

Google Cloud gets a lot of heat because of Google's legacy of killing things off (the exact opposite of what enterprise decision makers want when selecting a cloud platform). But I have to applaud Google for the excellent first party emulators and local tooling that they provide (Alloy Omni doesn't seem like an emulator on first readthrough, but enabling fast local iteration has the same effect). The Firebase emulato…

At least there is a Cosmos emulator... There has been a ticket open requesting an Azure Service Bus emulator for FIVE YEARS lolsob https://github.com/Azure/azure-service-bus/issues/223

Which is too bad, because ASB is awesome, IMO the best Azure service.

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by ppg677 »

Cockbrand wrote: post #12
arecurrence wrote: post #10

Has Google contributed some of these changes back to Postgres? I went looking and even a search for "alloydb" in some postgres mailing lists return no results. It has some very exciting features, I was a bit surprised to see nobody talking about it.

If I understand correctly, AlloyDB is a Postgres compatible re-implementation, so there's no shared code. So this is a bit like Wine compared to Windows, only with the big corp re-implementing the OSS software instead of the other way round.

You can't really be 100% postgres compatible without borrowing a lot of implementation

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by ellisv »

lysecret wrote: post #11

Hugely disappointed by Alloydb. Price and performance for a write heavy workload where off the charts horrible. It didn’t even support disabling an instance and it did only storage autoscaling much worse overall experience than using Aurora we moved back to cloudsql. Does someone have good experience with Alloydb?

I haven't tried AlloyDB yet but I've found most of GCP is this way. I've had to perform several Cloud SQL db migrations this year because storage will auto increase (due to ephemerally high tmp_data) and cannot decrease.

Lots of other rough edges with their other services. I have to believe that Google doesn't dog-food their own services.

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by GabeWeiss_ »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #20
GabeWeiss_ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely not an emulator. It's fully AlloyDB...in a container. We'll be working moving forward to smooth out the install process (tech preview, focus was on getting it in y'alls hands). In my mind, it's a proper Postgres drop-in replacement (Yes, of course I'm biased because I work at Google) but the tech is legit.

> it's a proper Postgres drop-in replacement The only downside I see is that going through the deployment process, it seems that the smallest instance I can provision is 2vCPU/16GB which if I'm looking at the pricing table correctly, equates to $230/mo. for a single instance. The web console only lets me create a cluster with minimum 2 instances so it seems like I'm looking at $460 minimum to deploy Alloy. That feels…

You're looking at Cloud AlloyDB sounds like? If you deploy AlloyDB to GCE (instead of locally, etc) you can provision a smaller instance than that. 2cpu(shared core)/4GB memory with a 20GB boot disk (AlloyDB takes up ~13) would run you $26/month before network/storage costs.

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by GabeWeiss_ »

Cockbrand wrote: post #12
arecurrence wrote: post #10

Has Google contributed some of these changes back to Postgres? I went looking and even a search for "alloydb" in some postgres mailing lists return no results. It has some very exciting features, I was a bit surprised to see nobody talking about it.

If I understand correctly, AlloyDB is a Postgres compatible re-implementation, so there's no shared code. So this is a bit like Wine compared to Windows, only with the big corp re-implementing the OSS software instead of the other way round.

OMG no, we didn't reimplement Postgres. Definitely started from the PG kernel and made modifications from there.

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Post by ellisv »

skunkworker wrote: post #4

That’s incredible. I wasn’t expecting them to allow you to run AlloyDB on premise but this is a potential game changer for on-prem Postgres instances, especially if you are doing analytical queries on the same data set.

Eh, there are other options for this that are more mature and more likely to be supported in the long run. The Citus columnar store extension has been around for almost a decade.

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by CharlieDigital »

evntdrvn wrote: post #22
CharlieDigital wrote: post #3

Google Cloud gets a lot of heat because of Google's legacy of killing things off (the exact opposite of what enterprise decision makers want when selecting a cloud platform). But I have to applaud Google for the excellent first party emulators and local tooling that they provide (Alloy Omni doesn't seem like an emulator on first readthrough, but enabling fast local iteration has the same effect). The Firebase emulato…

At least there is a Cosmos emulator... There has been a ticket open requesting an Azure Service Bus emulator for FIVE YEARS lolsob https://github.com/Azure/azure-service-bus/issues/223 Which is too bad, because ASB is awesome, IMO the best Azure service.

Especially head scratching given that Google's Pub/Sub has an emulator as does SNS/SQS via LocalStack.

I am also a big fan of ASB and I cannot fathom how a multi-billion dollar company that bills itself on developer productivity can't ship emulators for their cloud suite.

If even for their own internal testing and release validation.

Re: AlloyDB Omni – run AlloyDB anywhere

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Post by ellisv »

arecurrence wrote: post #10

Has Google contributed some of these changes back to Postgres? I went looking and even a search for "alloydb" in some postgres mailing lists return no results. It has some very exciting features, I was a bit surprised to see nobody talking about it.

It's worrying that a lot of companies aren't pushing these types of changes back. Particularly with Google, they'll have software patents that prevent others from implementing the same improvements but also, based on their track record, will abandon this project within a few years. When that happens, their improvements will simply be inaccessible.
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