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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

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There is if no threat exists.

Then it just becomes a ridiculous performance to suck in the gullible.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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I am Italian, so I can provide a bit of context to better understand this decision. The right-wing government won the election with few key promises: reject the immigrants coming by the sea with a naval block, a sort of victimhood against UE that want to "fight" Italian habits (like forcing us to eat worms instead of pasta), and penalize Italian companies (like force Italy to liberalize sectors like taxi licenses or…

You are calling Meloni's government "left-wing"? Italy has not had a government so far right since WW2.

> like forcing us to eat worms instead of pasta

Nobody is "forcing" you to anything. That's misrepresenting reality to a degree that's not even funny had you used /s tags.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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If and when lab grown meat will be a thing for the masses, Italy will follow suit because "Italy would not be able to oppose the sale of synthetic meat produced within the EU when it does gain EU approval, because of the free movement of goods and services." Furthermore governments change and legislation follows them.

Anyway, people will decide which kind of meat they prefer. Taste, cost, availability, etc.

Italy didn't have to ban Starbucks when they eventually opened in the country. It did no harm to its espresso heritage. Some people went to Starbucks, nearly everybody didn't, even in the few cities where they had a shop. I think they have less than 20 shops in all the country. Espresso is still well alive, bars survived Covid, Starbucks too.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

Man plans. God laughs. I'm calling Bs on the whole cow industry being bad for the planet because of their bodily functions. Any cows, any animals, any living creatures are never going to be bad for the planet. There is more resource consumption and harm in transferring the livestock as meat and farming livestock than there is in the methane gas. And lab grown meat is not going to change that.

What if lab grown meat makes transferring livestock or meat products half way around the world unnecessary and comparatively costly?

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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If food heritage is so important to the people of Italy, and they agree that lab-grown meat is vastly inferior for all of the claimed reasons, I imagine lab-grown meat as a product would just flop. Why ban it, unless it's all just political theatre?

If “climate” is so important to the people of California, and they agree that the ICE vehicle is vastly inferior for all the claimed reasons, I imagine ICE vehicles as a product would just flop. Why ban it, unless it’s all just political theater?

Pollutants of your ICE are hurting others, while the taste of meat is solely on the consumer themselves.

That's why you are being downvoted.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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> but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that. You the city people are so cocky in teaching me the village guy about how to live the life. What if I do not want my meat addiction to be controlled by some big corps? For example, they may decide to put in their meat products something I do not want t…

How is allowing it, forcing you?

He's talking that I'm insane if I will keep killing my cattle after "allowing" me to have safe and carbon efficient meat substitutes.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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You don't have to be "far right" or "nationalistic" to not want to destroy your economy

If your economy is entirely dependent on a doomed industry, maybe, instead of artificially keeping it alive, focus on modernising that economy instead?

Just HN things: the meat industry that serves 75% of the world population and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future is "doomed".

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

There are many factors. First is trust, I trust an organism even if pumped full of hormones more than a lab cell culture. Then there is the issue of dependency, raising livestock nad hunting is low tech with no supply chains breaking down. Quality is also a factor, i will believe it when I see it that lab grown meat is nothing more than glorified ground meat. There is a lot to the unique properties of meat (fibers, fat, etc) which will likely take a long while to master, this vs thousands of years of tradition meat preparation and husbandry.

I am not for any top down laws banning things, but the idea that lab grown is anywhere an equal swap for real meat is silly. Italy has a genuine concern, they value food, and that comes down to the quality of ingredients.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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This seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.

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https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...

Given that this is also current news, I think that might cast this in a slightly different light. Much of the heritage is modern myth-making, rather than centuries-old recipes known only to a handful of families. The feeling of heritage is real, but the history invented.

It seems to be national identity and the politics of nationalism in a food-based disguise, rather than sincere concerns for the authenticity of authentic and historic cuisine.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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I have nothing but farm for hours just 10 minutes from house in the EU. There's a lot more than "services, tourism, and tech."

are you in eastern europe? for most western europe, europe means western europe unfortunately

???

There is so much agriculture in western europe, look at net food exports by country. Germany, france, netherlands, uk...

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